namark @namark@qoto.org

@arteteco that's a surefire way to get someone killed. Proper instructions:
1. git add -A
2. git commit -m "temp"
3. git push -u origin temp-$USER-$RANDOM
4. calmly leave building, forming a line if necessary

@amiloradovsky@functional.cafe

That's why I said it's no Babylonian (aka. the best number system even known \o/), but it's still something.

I didn't say square root adds complexity, pi is already all those things on its own, square root simply emphasizes the pointlessness, kind of ridiculing it - "might as well square root yourself or something, you abomination pretending to be a number".

@alois

@amiloradovsky@functional.cafe @alois I don't get it... this is clearly praise:

roman numerals - relatively simple, but not trivial enough to be boring, useful to a degree, comprehensible, and all in all just fine number system... it's not baylonian, but it's something

square root of pi - immensely complex, obfuscated, nonsensical by itself expression, demonstrating futile attempts to achieve impossible perfection

@amiloradovsky@functional.cafe hmmm... it could be that someone actually solved some differential equations and just copied the solution into the specification... I don't want to think about it >.< too busy implementing a rational number, to be able to write reliable unit tests my gauss-jordan elimination code. Ignorance is bliss.

@freemo and I thought I was fooled to reply, and my toot ruthlessly and intentionally orphaned... It was thrilling.

@freemo too easy

@82wrangler ah, I never tried the web interface on a mobile device before. For me there is a menu icon on the top right corner, the favourites are accessible through there.

@freemo This is the kind of quality material you should be making polls out of, not politics or emacs, pfft.

@82wrangler yes it is the star, and there should be a way to view your starred toots separately. On default web view it's right there next to the timeline, but on mobile it will depend on the client I guess. I use fedilab and the favourites is in a menu that you can bring up by swiping from left side to right.

@82wrangler I use favourites for that, though that might not be what they are for...

@DavidBond the original point was regarding hate, not critique. The problem with your argument is that these religious and racial groups are usually vaguely defined. No one full of hate will stop to conduct genetic tests or thorough discussions of individuals beliefs, before causing harm. They will just pick someone who "looks" like they belong to the rival group and hate on them.

Someone who has never went to church, read the bible, or even heard about god, can be deemed "christian" just because they were born and raised among "christians".
Two people who both call themselves "muslim" can have completely different worldviews.
From that angle religion and race are equally invalid reasons for hatred.

This kind of hatred towards nebulous groups is disseminated for no other reason than for the leaders to point at anyone they wish, call them a word, and their indoctrinated vassals to attack with no questions asked, and for the whole thing to look more or less justified to bystanders.

@freemo

@amiloradovsky@functional.cafe a rough metric for vim could be the amount of time(keystrokes) spent in normal/visual mode vs insert mode, though I don't know of any ready made solutions to track that. Quick search revealed a few "never even started" plugins.

@amiloradovsky@functional.cafe I thought not touching comma meant it can't move at all, in hypothetical array of characters that it is in :D

Assuming cursor on f, what it essentially says is: yw(yank/copy a word)W(jump to next word)vep(swap yanked word with word under cursor)BB(go back to first word)vep(swap again).
If comma can move, the sequence of commands would be slightly shorter and more natural.

Vim is very much about editing discipline, and optimization.

@amiloradovsky@functional.cafe for "foo, bar." you mean something like ywWvepBBvep in normal mode #vim, or something that would actually optimize underlying memory read/written?

@freemo

Sure, not a problem, feel free to ignore it, or come back to it whenever you find time.

TLDR my point was, at some point the number of moderators required will exceed the number of users.

@snow

@freemo

I think it's obvious that partitioning the feed is the most efficient solution, and any other solution would be worse, but I guess I have to show how much worse for it to be meaningful.

I'm forced to do the thing I hate the most, am terrible at and will probably thoroughly embarrass myself by botching up - probability theory.

Lets boil the problem down to something manageable:
Given the minimum amount of time required for a mod to process 1 toot, if there are N toots being generated in that period, how many mods are needed to cover all N toots, by looking at them at random?

I'm not brave enough to try to solve it myself, so I looked it up and found a solution to another problem that seems equivalent(in fact I first found this result and then tried to fit the problem to it).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupon_collector%27s_problem

According to people who seem way smarter than me, it takes O(N*logN) mods.

Now how does the number of users grow in relation to this number N? I think it's reasonable to say that in any given period of time(including the specified period that mod takes to process a toot) anyone can make at most some constant number C of toots(could be a fraction representing slower rate). So the number of users required to make N toots in that given period of time would be O(N/C). Linear.

This means that dependent on the constants, at some point, using this random approach, without intentionally subdividing the timeline, you'll need more moderators than users to cover it. Not just a little more, substantially more.

It could be that the numbers required to observe this effect are unrealistically large, I don't have any real statistics to plug in, but I think the result is so drastically pessimistic that even for relatively small numbers it will have some sort of an effect, that making effective moderation practically impossible.

Now where did I botch it up?

@snow

@freemo Well imagine you have 1000 toots per minute, how would having 1000 or even 10000 moderators help go through it, unless you can split the feed? And if you are splitting the feed, why not split the instance, and federate?

If the feed is manageable within any given period of time by one person, you don't have a problem cause you can do shifts. But as it become bigger/faster the shifts will have to get more action packed and smaller, eventually becoming impossible/pointless. I'm having hard time putting this in words...

And this is assuming all moderation takes is just looking at toots.

@snow

@freemo

I would put it as "you were lucky enough to be able to extend the number of moderators so far". And this will not scale, unless you have some technology to split the timeline and have specific parts handled by specific moderators/moderator groups, at which point why not make another instance?

@snow

@snow @freemo yes, the technological argument, while I don't think is contrived (mega-servers don't appear out of nowhere, they start small and scale up, and I'm saying you shouldn't mindlessly scale up, and strive against it if possible, though not sacrificing your specific notion of quality), was secondary to my point of view, which is primarily about human resources. I like being able to discuss thing with moderators like a human being, and not being shoved around by automatically enforced policies or a support teams that can pretend to be a robot better than any robot could.

@freemo

Yes, I assumed that's what you meant regarding quality, was just being pedantic cause I can't help it.

Regarding migration, even purely technologically servers/instances have a capacity. If one (or several) is particularly large compared to others, migration out of it in large volumes might not be possible if required. There is also maintenance and moderation that requires human resources, which further limits capacity.
Even if not making migration impossible, this will limit the choice of instance you can migrate to, which might mean that you'll have to join, say, QOTO, even if you have absolutely no interest in STEM, diminishing the specific quality the instance was aiming for, through no fault of anyone, but everyone.

@snow