namark @namark@qoto.org

@amiloradovsky@functional.cafe
I guess discipline is also an unfortunate word... are there any fortunate words???

In that absolutely not real quote it's meant more in the sense of a field of science, something that requires a specific set of skills that pretty much anyone can acquire and are universally applicable, rather than the other meaning of training or productivity measures.

Not mutually exclusive of course, but if you are enthusiastic about the discipline by itself, the specific technology or application don't really matter much. Even if some aspects of it are not to your liking in general, you can still have your fun with it.

If you like gamedev but hate data science, it's not anything about programming specifically. One can be just a hobby and still help you with the other, which is just a job, because they both involve programming, which is a discipline.

@alcinnz

@amiloradovsky@functional.cafe @alcinnz "nau nau nau... nau... NAU... programming is a discipline"

@amiloradovsky@functional.cafe @alcinnz alexander stepanov has entered the chat

@lwriemen
C++: humbly presents the other cheek

what every other language would do: *screeeeeeeeech*

@Shatika ok, deleted

@casualwp opened this when I woke up, and was like:

@Shatika fun! no?

@casualwp #invertthat

@freemo you forgot the CW: shitpost, bait, troll

@Gina the statement by itself is a tautology at best, it requires further clarification, or otherwise is open to interpretation.

Interpretation example 1:
(Emphasis on boredom as an internal feeling, state of being, and inspiration - an external feeling/stimulus, a state of the world) it is not your fault if you are bored, you just need something or someone(wink wink) in your life to inspire you~

Interpretation example 2:
(Emphasis on the word life, as in "entire life") A singular event of being bored signifies an innate (genetic?) condition of uninspired person, I'm afraid you'll have to accept your inferiority and live with it for the lest of your life.

@tuxcrafting @alyx in general it cuts both ways. If the application is less intensive, better API will allow it to be even less intensive.

@freemo @prasoon make it like starcraft where having more money in the bank in the long term is a sign of failure not success.

@calm_bomb subway tooter! you will hate it! It's the best!

@mgrondin

1. Hmm, if python seems too disconnected, and you don't like installing and using ready made stuff, then C++ might be the right direction, since my argument was essentially going to be "it's can be hard to install and use ready made stuff with C++".
I guess for a less generic and more hands on experience I can recommend https://www.youtube.com/user/thebennybox
if you are interested in graphics and gamedev. There is some Java there too, but the latest (though still kind of old) stuff should be C++.

2. Well, I don't really know what the compiler does either, but I think it's still not that mathy. It usually is much more grounded and simple, since computers are super dumb and need very clear instructions, though it can be a lot of instructions sometimes.

@mgrondin

1. I guess it depends on whether you enjoy the ride more or the end result more. If it's the former, C++ is a good choice as it's one hell of a ride, but it can be hard to make good use of it in practice, so in the latter case, might be better to go with a simpler language. Any particular reason you arrived at C++?

2. I would say programming = sane parts of math. Once math starts going insane it stops working on computers, so can't have in anyway.

@mgrondin ah yes, the nail guy, total coincidence, but very interesting channel in it's own right XD

I guess "alexander stepanov lectures" works better.

@mgrondin first and foremost, accept that you will never be done learning it.

learn.cpp seems a bit all over the place, maybe too dry, maybe inconsistent, and maybe incomplete, but I guess you could say the same about the language itself, so it's a good place to start if it works for you. It's definitely better than what I started with. You might feel like you learnt nothing even after going through it all, and that's fine.

After getting more or less comfortable with the basics of some subset of the language that happens to stick with you, you can start filtering through cppcon and cppnow talks. There is a lot but can skip everything that's doesn't capture your interest.
Simultaneously gobble up everything you can find by Alexander Stepanov... including that one talk in russian, even if you don't know russian... do this even if you give up on c++ itself!

@matrix's wet dream:
"wild mugger appears, pulls knife, demands valuables, it's not very effective, matrix pulls gun, shoots the face, epic voice announces headshot, neighbors cheer, gets a medal"

reality:
"mugger, knowing matrix has a gun, shoots in the back of the head, takes valuables, runs away, neighbors think is fireworks or tire, matrix's family and friends get involved in a gang war, cause they can and don't care anymore."

@tuxcrafting

@freemo

You admit that you don't know what steps are necessary to prevent the outcome, and yet you blame an entire country for not taking those steps. Can you demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that whatever regulations exist in all(most) other countries that don't exist in China are in any way better at preventing the outcome?
If not then, while it might not be racism, it's some kind of a bias, or at best inherent desire to assign blame for uncontrollable events on a relatable entity, similar to belief in gods throwing lighting bolts.

@dsfgs