obi 🍍 @obi@qoto.org

@solar@koyu.space Get (back) to Debian, then you can stop :)

@freemo Maybe that's my problem, I set up the VM as a bridged adapter, not a NAT

@freemo The more I try and evaluate this, the more confused I get. Looking at too many sets of data points, some contradictory, some with many more variables, some with what you told me, some showing numbers that says we are overreacting. My head hurts. Too many variables for me today. This topic has fatigued me today :( .

Side question - do you have an tips, or links to an article that may help me with port forwarding? I've done a lot of port forwarding in the past, but just installed a 2nd VM on my home server for Jitsi, and my router either isn't catching it, or i am doing something wrong. Works on local ip, but dns i set to route to public ip, then forward to jitsi vm ip isn't working, goes to an error screen for my nextcloud :(

@freemo thanks. I'm not ideologically, nor emotionally invested in this issue at all. As with most things, just trying to come to the underlying truth.

@freemo I will definitely sit down and reevaluate the numbers with your data. My apologies, as I am trying to look at this while watch my three crazy kids. Thanks for the info. I reserve the right to respond later :p

@freemo how would my opinion be dangerous? That sounds similar to words are violence? I have no clout, nor position of power.

@freemo how do the people infected showing no symptoms factor into that? Since I'm guessing they aren't at high risk of dying? Or isn't the a statistic on infected no symptoms patients?

@freemo u seem to be getting mad at this conversation. Remember, not everyone has the same opinion as you, nor perspective, right or wrong. That's why I joined this instance -question others to teach ourselves. Seems more like HOGB (have an opinion, get berrated) right now.

If you have a differing opinion, can't you help me teach myself by having a conversation with just facts and numbers? If they are facts, I will learn.

@freemo well maybe I am wrong. The data I've looked at showed mortality rate at 3.4%, of people tested. Or are we talking about Italy in specific, where I know its higher? There population age over 55 years old is about 10% higher than ours I think. That coupled with congestion and medical care wait times could also be a large factor in there higher death rate, in comparison to other countries.

I never said it shouldn't be taken seriously. I'm just confused to as why. A much higher number of people dies everyday from other communicable diseases, but we shut nothing down, take no extra measures. With emotion taken out of the equation, I can't see why such drastic measures are taken.

@freemo I would also add robbing children and adults (non-geriatric) of developing the immunity to this strain, since the vaccine is nowhere near ready.

But if we are going to go the route of treating it as the end of all ends, I think this country is handling it very well. I just believe its biggest play on average people in history.

@freemo let's take Italy for example. 90% of the deaths were people over the age of 70yrs old. Also, More people are infected than numbers show too, obviously, since not every person has been tested. These numbers are on par with the other types of corona viruses. It's not abnormal (unless you decide to take the other similar illnesses as serious).

Rob us as devaluing our money with the fed, creating trillions out of thin air, and having to pay it back with interest. Creating an excuse to give big corporation billions or trillions with no guidelines on how to spend it. Crashing the economy to lower values, making it easier for the wealthy to gobble it up at those low prices, while everyday americans can't afford rent let alone investments etc.

I said it a month ago and I will say it again - COVID-19 was used to perform the biggest robbery in American history, with the stimulus used to blind us, as hush money. You can say that's a conspiracy theory all you want, but it just seems blatantly obvious to me when looking at stats (of covid-19 and of similar coronaviruses and outbreaks) and take emotion and fear out of it.

Yesterdays trip to Plant 2 vs tonight's

@freemo this cartoon

@velartrill It used to be $600. $5 seems weird

@freemo the sound of impending failure? Like Schrödinger's Cat in that its inevitable, different in that you can hear the cat slowly screaming before its demise

@lynnesbian I own both versions on DVD, bluray, and kindle. I prefer philosopher's stone for sure

@Gina 60% of the time, it works every time....