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@freemo @namark @realcaseyrollins I'm not easily offended, just have no interest in engaging with him, no offense. Thanks for the info on the paradox. Really interesting

@namark @freemo I said good day, sir 🤣 @realcaseyrollins

@freemo @namark @realcaseyrollins OK, my misunderstanding then

@namark @freemo let me paint u my picture. Nothing u said was my intent. I was replying only to the statement that went something along the lines of "he isn't a scientist". All I was saying was that is not a good argument. I even said the person was probably wrong, I don't know, I don't even know what they said. Only saying using he isn't a scientist as a reason to prove something wrong is the wrong way to go about it, because using authority as a proof isn't correct. As for everything else u mentioned, I have no idea what your talking about. Good day @realcaseyrollins

@namark well I completely agree with that, so not sure where our disconnect is @realcaseyrollins

@namark great reply and all, but your understanding of what i was saying was incorrect. He was my "hero" because logic and open-mindedness and mocked a question unscientifically. Then we there was a more authoritative source ( to him, not to me) he completely changed his mind, and then acted like he never opposed the idea. My problem with him, or anybody really is arguing from the position of authority (their authoritative status makes them correct) instead of arguing the actual idea using logic (like he always did before). As for your tldr; that's exactly what I am arguing against, and exactly why I stopped following Cox. So not sure where we disagree there, I couldn't have written it better myself @freemo @realcaseyrollins

@realcaseyrollins or more simply, just cuz u r a scientist, it doesn't mean what you say is correct

@realcaseyrollins @freemo relevant because he discredited information because the person who said it wasn't a scientist. Person was probably wrong, just saying taking an authoritative stance against an argument or statement isn't a good way of doing it. Should just discredit the info.

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Another example. Years ago Brian Cox was my hero. I even got my emailed questions read on the podcast a few times. I looked up to him in the way he approached science. Then someone asked him on an episode his thoughts about there potentially being a Planet X in our solar system on thousands of years orbit, and provided some interesting data. He mocked the question, and said "no no no there is no planet X or Niburu or any crazy thing like that. 0 chance of that". A few months later some new data came out of NASA(?) Showing some interesting things that might support that. He acknowledged the data and possibility, but didn't apologize at his mockery of a fan asking that question so recently. That's when I lost respect for him. It makes me sad.

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@freemo I.e Noam Chomsky, one of the most respected Cognitive scientists and liberals (I've always loved his logic), came out recently endorsing Biden, someone who is obviously in cognitive decline, and said if u don't vote Biden its a vote for Trump....grrrrr

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@freemo I agree with your point of view on this up until "they aren't a scientist". We should never make an argument from a position of authority, let the argument speak for itself (not that this applies here). Just because someone is a scientist, it does not make them correct. @realcaseyrollins

@aluaces they luckily gave us a warning :)

@freemo Truthfully i don't know of anyone famous who has had it bad. Never heard of this guy you referenced lol @realcaseyrollins

@freemo @realcaseyrollins I didn't even know the media was even covering this. I'm gonna go search it, wondering what they said now

@freemo So more testing and larger scale testing and different region testing? Seems like that would help @realcaseyrollins

@freemo So what do you do to account for that? Why are the studies even done if they don't mean anything? That's not meant to be snarky, honest question lol @realcaseyrollins

@freemo That's interesting. Never knew false positives could go that high. Does this apply to this test tho? Because these people tested negitive to COVID19, but were had antibodies for it. Are antibody tests also susceptible to false positives? @realcaseyrollins