Paul Ganssle @pganssle@qoto.org

@dl Not sure how I'd know that the acetone smoothing worked if the mechanism of action for illness is bacterial build-up. Would the germ colonies be visible or something?

@cnx I think when the rice is frozen it's likely to be stuck to the sides of the container, so taking it out of the container it's in is not ideal.

I am feeling very spoiled by my 3D printer, where I can just take some existing thing I like and make it the size I want it to be.

I keep finding things where I'm like, "This would be perfect if it were 3cm shallower" or something.

I'm kinda tempted to try printing a container in PETG and see how well it holds up to a freezer → microwave → dishwasher cycle.

@ejodlowska These 8oz ones look pretty close to what I want: https://www.amazon.com/DuraHome-Containers-Microwaveable-Heavy-Duty-Dishwasher/dp/B01FKGJ5NG

They don't get cloudy or pitted or anything in the microwave? If so that might be a winner.

@cnx Well I mean whatever Hillshire Farms containers are made of (Gladware I guess?) work just fine, they're just the wrong size.

I would probably be interested in new ways to preserve the rice better, but honestly I'm not too picky about my rice. A lot of it gets eaten by my children, who do not have especially sophisticated palettes. "I can go pull something out of the freezer and have food in front of the kids in 5 minutes" is a major driver of my reasoning.

In my experience, freezing the rice as soon as it's cooked tends to retain the maximum moisture (though it's possible that texture suffers — I haven't noticed that so much, but I also use a microwave rice cooker, so from what I gather I'm already a rice philistine).

@alex Or maybe I'm being thrown off by the proportions of the stuff around it. The ones I like are 11cm x 11 cm x 5 cm, and this is 8 x 8 x 6, so maybe it's not so bad.

@alex That's a good start if the material doesn't pit in the freezer, but it's a bit tall. My freezer is one of those ones that has a big drawer that pulls out from the bottom, so vertical space is at a premium.

#food #mealprep #containers 🧵^

I'm open options other than rigid containers, but rigid containers seem easiest to clean.

I have a bunch of 4.5" x 4.5" x 2" rubbermade containers that are about the right size, but if I microwave those they usually develop pits or cloudiness.

I'd love something small and shallow like that, but made of gladware or something.

This is probably a long shot, but does anyone have a good recommendation for a small microwavable, reusable container (preferably plastic or otherwise hard to break)?

I often cook up rice and break it up into ~100g portions, which I freeze and re-heat later. Right now they take up way too much freezer space because I put them in Hillshire Farms containers.

@WayneCollins Color photography was available in the 60s, but most people today don't realize that color itself wasn't as ubiquitous as it is today. In those days, you had to pay per minute for color, and it wasn't cheap for some of us.

I remember back in the early 90s my brother and I only got 60 minutes of color per week! Obviously you'd mostly turn it on when someone was going to take a picture of you, but most candid photos were inevitably going to be black and white.

@djzap The idea isn't to trick you into liking bad meat or something, it's to measure the intrinsic worth you place on the source of the meat.

If you are incapable of engaging in hypothetical thought experiments of that kind that is ok, you do not need to answer the question.

@djzap I'm saying it's a premise of the question. I'm asking people to hold quality constant.

If you want to imagine it as "the distribution of quality outcomes with the cultured meat are the same as the distribution of quality outcomes from a butcher" that is fine.

The point is to assume that on all relevant metrics the product is the same, except that one was cultured as the other came from a farm. Would you be willing to pay the same for it, less for it or more for it, and by how much?

@djzap I'm asking if you assume that the resulting thing is identical, at what price point would you choose cultured meat over animal meat.

If you only care about quality then I'd say answer either 1x or >1x. I am inclined to say that if you are truly indifferent for a given quality level, the answer should be 1x.

@btskinn I recognize that people don't actually respect the premises of hypotheticals when they answer questions, but it feels... cognitively dissonant to me to explicitly recognize that you are doing it and to be unwilling to engage the question otherwise.

Then again, I am a high [decoupler](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7cAsBPGh98pGyrhz9/decoupling-vs-contextualising-norms), so it is very natural for me to think this way.

@btskinn It's an explicitly stated premise.

If I said, "A genie comes out and is willing to offer you $200,000 a year for life, or $2M lump sum right now" it would be very weird to say, "I dunno, genies don't exist, and why would he want to give me money?"

@btskinn Well, "low cost replica of a rare/unique experience" is another way of saying, "I'd only take it if were cheaper."

Since if you're like, "I'd eat a cultured version of that $1000 fish if I could get it for $20", that's a price difference of 0.02x.

@btskinn If you voted <1 because you aren't convinced that it would be identical, you are answering a different question than the one I asked, but like I said, people are terrible at decoupling these things, so I assumed the data would be noisy in this regard.

It's actually good to have some confirmation that at least some of the "only if it's cheaper" folks are just answering a different question.

@btskinn I do recognize that it's a problem, though, that people are simply *terrible* at evaluating hypothetical situations. Their brains sort of pattern match to something else and use heuristics that don't apply, so you can't really trust them to decouple the things that you are explicitly asking them to decouple.