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@tripu @rastinza @ImperfectIdea

According to Wikipedia ( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienc ):

"Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe."

For engineering ( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine ):

"Engineering is the use of scientific principles to design and build machines, structures, and other items, including bridges, tunnels, roads, vehicles, and buildings. The discipline of engineering encompasses a broad range of more specialized fields of engineering, each with a more specific emphasis on particular areas of applied mathematics, applied science, and types of application."

I will admit that not all applications of science are engineering, but in general they are.

The examples you provide are applications of scientific knowledge. The physicist example falls under policy, not science (i.e., the physicist is not testing any hypothesis or expanding the field), and the psychologist example is actually closer to psychiatry (practioners of psychology, i.e., doctors).

Science has a very clear definition, and saying that its "common-sense" meaning is different is not helpful.

@BruttoCheffo
Buoni i pierogi! Li ho fatti una volta con un'amica Polacca.
Che insomma... Alla fine sono dei casoncelli.

Però l'idea di metterci la frutta dentro è molto buona.
Vediamo se trovo un posto del genere anche a Varsavia!!

@BruttoCheffo
Wow! Ho fatto un errore, invece che trasferirmi in Polonia dovevo venire da te!

@MapAmore
Very cool thanks, the problem is always the search results with OSM aren't that great but I'll test it out

@tripu
Btw, I would not classify mathematics as science.
It's much more a branch of philosophy, definitely doesn't follow the scientific method.
@sojournTime @ImperfectIdea

I'm going to Warsaw tomorrow, I intended to move there for a couple months but apparently I'll stay some 10-20 days in the end.
Do you have advices about stuff to do and see there?
I'm specially interested in places where to meet people.

@skarada
Purtroppo su queste cose c'è poco da aiutare... Si tratta proprio di ricordare nozioni
@diorama

@ImperfectIdea
I'm drunk and in no mood to define the meaning of existence.
I gave links to inform yourself about antimaterialism and antirealism, if you're interested in this matter go read those things and then come back.

Something that cannot be observed can indeed exist, for example God cannot be observed, but it could very well exist.
Plato's world of ideas cannot be observed but it could very well exist. I do not believe it does, but it could; even though it cannot be observed.
@tripu

@ImperfectIdea
I mean, there's a whole branch of philosophy dedicated to defining science and how it works.
If you work in science you should at least know what that is about; this is my opinion.
In my opinion, if you don't know that stuff then you are a bad scientists and I have a low esteem of you.

It's what I consider the base of the scientific method.
While you can do science without knowing the scientific method, I do believe it is proper to know what it is and how it works in order to conduct good research.
@tripu

@ImperfectIdea

It is not, it's the founding base of science.
If you know nothing about the philosophy of science then you can not do science, because you don't know what you're doing.
If you're working in a scientific environment and you don't know nothing about this, I'm sorry, but you will have to reconsider your position and your competencies.
Either way, if you want to discuss about science you should know what science is and on what philosophical base it is founded on, so you should know what are the various theories regarding the philosophy of science.

It appears that you know nothing about it, thus start from here and branch out learning about the various things.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philos
@tripu

@ImperfectIdea
Things which are not material and are not observable in the material world.
Let's take that everything in the material world is made up of atoms, something immaterial is something that is not made up of atoms and cannot be observed.
@tripu

@ImperfectIdea
No

I advise you read something about the philosophy of science.

@tripu

@ImperfectIdea
There is no proof of what you're saying, thus that is just your opinion.
Science demonstrated that atoms exist, not that the universe is only made up of atoms or that immaterial things do not exist.

> Anything else is so improbable it can be disregarded until new evidence

The fact that you disregard it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
You may be right or you may be wrong, but saying that those things don't exist is an opinion.
Also, you cannot talk about probability... If those things exist then they exist, if they don't they don't; there's no existence probability.
@tripu

Cibo 

@diorama
Bene bene, qui i fornelli si accendono senza accendino, hanno una bella fiamma e non si spengono a caso!
Peccato che me ne vado subito...
@leodurruti

@ImperfectIdea

> in the end it's all atoms

Well, that's like your opinion, man.
@tripu

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