timorl @timorl@qoto.org

Unlikely anyone would be interested, but I'm passionate enough to gladly explain the ideas in this paper and generally things about Löb's theorem personally. I'll probably write this down at some point, but for now anything up to a Jitsi meeting is on the table if you, dear reader, are interested.

I don't think I have posted here about probably my favourite paper, and I have recently been reminded that it might be a good idea: https://intelligence.org/files/ParametricBoundedLobsTheorem.pdf

It's about achieving cooperation in the open-source version of the Prisoner's Dilemma in practice. (It's predecessor paper about doing this with infinite resources is also pretty good.) It uses Löb's theorem in such a beautiful way and the end result is somewhat surprizing, especially to people not used to thinking about provability.

Is there a way of checking whether a specific instance is blocking the instance I am on? I have a strong suspicion one person I was trying to communicate with does not see my toots, but I don't know of a way of checking this.

I discovered why it is not subsidized by the government – it actually criticizes the government at some point. Definitely did not expect that.

It seems automatically transcribing chants is essentially impossible with standard speech-to-text models. Is this an #accessibility issue for deaf people wanting to participate in protests? Or are there some chant-to-text models I'm not aware of?

To finish this up, the raw results I got:

* https://wuatek.tk/~timorl/dlaludzi/inne/transcripts_grouped.csv are the transcripts grouped by me as described in thee above toots.
* https://wuatek.tk/~timorl/dlaludzi/inne/transcripts_random.csv are in random order, went through shuf because I already modified the grouped file when I noticed this version would be useful <_<"

The links inside should be pointing to the files I used for the MTurk questions.

@freemo If you want to look through this yourself, you definitely want the **second** file. I know this is obvious, but stressing it to lower the chances of you accidentally biasing yourself more than needed by first looking at the first one.

Oh, and if you want to help me with all this investigation it might also be useful if you cut the chant into words the way you perceive them, preferably **before** listening to the cuts I made. I have a slight suspicion word boundaries might help me hear your version? I know this would take time though, so no pressure if you have better things to do.

Anyway, it seems that mostly I should assign much more weight to 3, bloody meatmech really needs an upgrade. On the other hand when the phonetic evidence pointed in a direction it was more in agreement with my interpretation. This is some evidence against me being insane, but it might also be the result of how I cut the chant into pieces?

The third word is the strangest. Three people guessed that it was the third word from the chant (I missed them in the original toot where I claimed there was only one, oops... >.<), but they are almost the only people who have noticed the "(t)s" sound at the end – only two more have that sound. There is one explicit unintelligible and two terrible guesses. The remaining 12 people all correctly identified the vowel in the word we expect, but 9 of them also heard some variant of "hey", which should influence the evaluation of the first word (at least the "hey"/"hello" variants might be almost pure bias; note that there were still many others which had different h-words).

Since the "standard" interpretations agreed as to what word this is, people not recognizing it is definitely evidence for 3. On the other hand, this is not really evidence for 3 as applied to the previous two words, they might have been perfectly legible and this word only guessed from context, so it's not very strong evidence for 3 as applied to the problem we are trying to solve... And correctly identifying the vowel seems to be a pattern too...

The second word is apparently the least intelligible. Three people explicitly complained about unintelligibility, six made suggestions that made no sense. Four suggestions contained the "w" sound, but none of them in a way that would be compatible with one of the standard interpretations, and the only one beginning with "w" was someone incorrectly trying to guess which word from the full chant it was (lol). Three people heard the "n" sound – that's not "m", but phonetically very close, and it was always at the beginning of the word. Four people heard the "eye/I" sound as the vowel – interestingly this group is exclusive with the previous one.

This is mostly evidence for 3., but also against 1., since the phonetics align somewhat more with what I heard.

So, first word. Here I must confess I did not manage to cut the word off properly, because I was trying very hard not to include the part I percieved as "m" in the clip, and I cut off also the part that I percieved as the "ng" sound (or maybe they were both just the same sound? considering 3. is a real option this might be the case). Anyway here we had more interesting results. Two people heard something beginning with "w", one of them even the "we" sound (although a different word). Nine people heard something starting with the "he" sound (ugh, not "he" as in "he", but "he" as in "hello", so what I meant by the "ha" sound in the original post; ugh, bloody english phonetics), three further people heard things that contained this sound. It's worth mentioning that one of the people claimed to hear the exact word I heard, but followed by another word, which seems like they were guessing, because I see no way in which they could have heard so much in this short clip. They were also one of the people who were aware of the chant (although strangely they claimed they heard the version I _did not_ hear in the full chant?!). And since I'm mentioning this, the person who claimed to have heard the "we" sound was also among the ones familiar with the chant. It is also worth pointing out that many (5/9 or 7/12) of the "he" guesses were variants of "hey" or "hello", towards which people might be biased.

The remaining six people heard mostly nonesense, although three of them also heard variants with some "h" sound.

The wide prevalence of the "h"/"he" sound is moderate evidence against 1, and about equally for 2 and 3.