Paul Sutton @zleap@qoto.org

@twitterreject @Tilopa@convo.casa @bonifartius

Governments are interested in short term solutions, help homeless off the street, problem soved as they can't be seen, outof sight out of mind.

@twitterreject @Tilopa@convo.casa @bonifartius

This is the problem, the system in general for a lot of people and needs is too complex. I wonder if the very people who come up with it, experience the system from a user viewpoint.

It is not as if this isn't doable, in software development we have UX / UI people who try things out and study what it is like to use a program, report back to devs on the ideas to make improvements.

There is clearly a disconnect between what you looked in to, and the people who make decisions, but if you join that organisation, you are on the bottom rung trying to make fundamental changes is very difficult.

@twitterreject @Tilopa@convo.casa @bonifartius

Well I stand by my comment, those who are homeless need help but the right kind of intervention, sure one can give them food or a hot drink,that is just short term.

Someone bought a homeless person a sausage roll once, he was told by the homeless person he was vegetarian, result the kind person has vowed never to help them again.

The charities will help longer term, help with any health and mental health issues, addiction etc.

@twitterreject @Tilopa@convo.casa @bonifartius

If you want to help homeless people, there are plenty of charities who work with that group. Give them the money so they can go out and offer the right support and long term support if needed.

@realTuckFrumper

He must be bad, when even is own family try and stop him.

Now why can't putins other 1/2 do the same.

@Tilopa@convo.casa People are entitled to their view point,

I just feel what happened in that London school and that US school was horrific It is the tip of the iceburg

Look at the beating of Tyre Nichols and you can perhaps draw parallels with what happened in the UK (racially motivated) and perhaps that US school bus beating, which was due to the kids being from a homestead.

It shows how broken our western society is, and to get it back to something needs a radical approach, as I said anti bullying is a community thing, but everyone has to be on the same page and support the move towards creating a more respectful society and community where everyone is included and voices are heard.

@bonifartius @Tilopa@convo.casa

I wonder if those kids in that London school who beat the black child up got kicks out of what they were doing? They clearly think that is acceptable behaviour.

"A 39-year-old woman, a 16-year-old girl and two 11-year-old girls were arrested on suspicion of attempted racially-aggravated grievous bodily harm. "

The investigation in to this HAS to be robust, and any punishment needs to be PROPORTIONATE or it will send the WRONG message.

@Tilopa@convo.casa

There could be at some point Vinyl Chloride is highly toxic

https://www.chemicalbook.com/msds/VINYL-CHLORIDE.htm

@TheOldGuy@newsie.social

I hope they rot in prison, or on a noose, this is one time where public hanging would be ideal

@bonifartius @Tilopa@convo.casa

This could explain why kids in the UK are stabbing each other, the know they are untouchable, some of these kids are however at the mercy of drugs gangs, so the stabbings in some cases are drug, territory related, county lines etc, so the drug gangs at all levels know they are untouchable too.

It is time we got a grip and made some members of our society so terrified of consequences they think very hard about their actions and futures. But on that, they need to change direction and need help in doing that too.

Re education and training so they can be useful, productive members of society who are more valuable to employers, than they are to the drug overlords.

Ah yes, this is the same MP whos mini budget caused all that chaos and the economy to crash.

@Tilopa@convo.casa @bonifartius

+1 There is a huge difference, we have just lost all sense of proportion.

@Tilopa@convo.casa @bonifartius

This seems to sum up the issue in schools

Kwasi Kwarteng MP defends Surrey school after black pupil attacked

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64599097

We need to decide what we want in our society, we either tie the hands of school staff / adults in fear of being prosecuted for even shouting or breathing on a child OR in the case of assults. Teachers need to have the power and authority to act accordingly, haul those who were doing this away, drag them in to the heads office, tell them their behaviour is NOT acceptable and call the police, and parents.

Rather then listening to pathetic excuses or pretend tears of remorse, they should be made to explain their actions in FULL. If they disclose abuse then that is a different situation otherwise they should face the wrath of the system.

Schools need to be a place of safety, you can make the school culture one where people understand and respect each other, but it requires a whole school approach, pro active staff around the grounds, areas where bullying can take place are areas hidden from view, away from cctv etc, so proper patrols, and respect for teachers is essential. As is a culture where a child can report propblems or worries knowing something WILL be done, and they don't need to worry about them being in trouble.

A tactic of a child abuser could be they will tell a child they can go to prison if they disclose the abuse, so that then is emotional abuse and keeps themn quiet until probed further.

Teachers need the back up of the whole community, it is a community approach (this is from a anti bullying course)

In schools teachers have a duty of care, I did a course on positive handling and if a school has a 100 percent hands off approach, they could be liable for prosecution. It has to be proportionate.

Given the way some adults behave I would back spare the rod, spoil the parent any day.

@Tilopa@convo.casa @bonifartius

+1 we should start with some parents who's behaviour is very questionable indeed.

@Tilopa@convo.casa @bonifartius

Saying this, there is evidence that children who are abused, can go on to abuse others as they consider that 'normal' behaviour. So they may exhibit that behaviour in school for example. This is, how staff in schools or other professionals can pick on the signs of abuse and act to safeguard the child further.

If that child is not protected and taken away from that environment, the abuse carries on and that child grows up to potentially abuse others, cycle repeats and is complete.

This can be any sort of abuse, neglect, sexual anuse, physical or psycological abuse being the main forms of abuse.

One reason it is essential to be vigilent and report concerns, but just as important for those above you to act accordingly, What we saw in the UK in one scandle, was abuse by 'asian' men, being reported by girls, who are told they are lying, it is their fault OR no one wants to take action as they are terrified of being branded racist, so the abuse carried on.

So people need to be able to report without fear of repurcusions.

As I commented on the case of the child pulverising the other child, adults don't want to get involved as they are terrified of being accused of assault or accused generally of abuse.

Even corporal punishment has some limitations, but we have gone so far the way of don't breath on someone, we are in the situation just like with Putin, Trump and other bullies they act with impunity as no one can say NO.

of course some of that then ends up in the US with a traumatised person walking in to a school with a gun and starting to kill people, then they kill themselves, it seems when they look in to afew of these cases, they were bullied relentlessly, so you can understand why they cracked, in which case we need to ask, what were all the adults around those young people DOING.