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I notice that in the past I created another on @frayoshi@mograph.social which I would like to move to this one.

One : the other account is like 20 minutes newer than this and more over, I'm not actually "moving from" that one, but want just to redirect like if I was moving from there.. Not sure if this is the correct procedure.. I was going to delete it, but then I read that the account handle will no longer be usable and I want to keep my doors open :blob3c:

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@frayoshi @frayoshi@mograph.social

Usually I'd say 'use the move feature' since that can be undone easily. But I see that mograph.social seems to be blocking qoto.org, so that won't work.

Best you can do is just put in your profile description that you're active on qoto.org.

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oh... that's sad @trinsec ! I wonder why :blobcatneutral:
Great advice, didn't think about it!! :blob3c:

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@frayoshi Some instances block other instances if the other instances federate with yet other instances that would break their rules.

It doesn't make much sense because anything we would boost from the rule-breakers wouldn't reach them anyway because they get blocked.

But I see in their blocking reason references to kiwifarms and gab, but they have not been federating in the Fediverse for a while now, so it's an ancient relic from the past.

I tried @trinsec ... :blobcatmeltcry:

_"not gonna discuss this here for the n-th time. We're not federating with qoto, full stop."_
~ @mauro admin

I can't believe it @trinsec @freemo , got blocked by the admin of mograph.social for kindly asking to unblock , definitely a nasty place :ablobnervous:
Just sad for those people I wanted to follow that are in there, 1 in particular which is important to me :blob_cry:

@frayoshi@qoto.org @trinsec@qoto.org @freemo@qoto.org wow that was rude af. another reason why fedi would be better if everyone was on their own personal instance

@emma

Usually the toxicity/rudeness of an instances admin is directly proportional to the size of their block list. Not even surprised.

Sadly from a technical standpoint there are huge issues with single user instances, particularly at scale.

@trinsec @frayoshi

@freemo @emma @trinsec @frayoshi

Can you explain the technical issues with single user instances? I was contemplating this.

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@frayoshi @emma @freemo @bolapara @trinsec this please - I'm trying to even understand the point of a single user instance. Control?

@Biggles

No one can ban you if you run your own server. No one can force you to adhere to their instance wide block list if you are in charge..

The downside is you have no foice as no one federates with you and your federation footprint is dictated by your size as an instance.

@frayoshi @emma @bolapara @trinsec

@trinsec @frayoshi @freemo @emma @bolapara

But - they can ban your server, no? I honestly don't see any difference between "I got banned" and "my single user server got banned".

People are weird.

@Biggles

Yes, but there is a difference.

If your instance admin bans you you loose all your post history, cant transfer to anotther instance and, at least under your old identity, are blocked from ALL servers and all your followers.

On a single user instance when someone or a group of instances block you thenn only those instances block you. You can always just migrate and get a fresh start (perhaps even to a new single user instance) or stay where you are and be blocked only by a subset of the fediverse and continue to operate.

@trinsec @frayoshi @emma @bolapara

@emma @freemo @bolapara @frayoshi @trinsec

Hmm. Ok, makes sense. Control.

Easier to try to be a decent person, but to each his own. :-)

@Biggles

Being a decent person on a tolerant instance is the best solution, yea... probem is there are so many toxic instances you can be a decent person and still loose it all. so pick your instance carefully :)

@emma @bolapara @frayoshi @trinsec

Listen to @freemo @Biggles!

That's the whole reason why this thread exists :ablobderpy:

@frayoshi

I'd be much happier if we all just try and listen to eachother... but if we cant do that, sure, ill settle for everyone listening to me :)

@Biggles

@frayoshi @freemo heh - he's too late with that advice, I already picked his server...

@frayoshi @freemo I'm not complaining - mostly because nothing to complain about, but also because I know what an enormous time/money/energy sink running this instance can be, especially with the refugee influx. Extra unpaid part-time job at best. In case you haven't heard it today, thank you.

@Biggles

Honestly most of that is a nonissue for me. The new people are all a complete joy, serious, we havent had tto ban not one bad actor yet, its extraordinary! the costs are not even noticeable for me (I am very lucky). The only issue tht ever crops up is the toxicity of a few nasty instances... some faux good guys who throw around the nazi label, and some legit bad actors who are wanna be nazis, swastika and all... Luckily the toxic instances are a minority here on the fediverse, but as the admin I deal with them constantly and it is draining.

@frayoshi

@freemo @Biggles @emma @bolapara @frayoshi @trinsec It's more important the admin is a decent person. Especially when it comes to blocking other sites. Some admins seem to block sites as a kind of popularity contest: ”I'm Import, I'm going to kick <insert your favorite evil> out of the fediverse "...

@Biggles@qoto.org @freemo@qoto.org @bolapara@qoto.org @frayoshi@qoto.org @trinsec@qoto.org the person that made this thread literally just got banned off an instance for asking a harmless question about moderation. were they not being a "decent person"? on my own instance if i get blocked i simply move on with my life but this person is going to have to start over somewhere else when they didn't even do anything wrong.

@emma

I think you misread the tread... no one was saying the original poster wasnt being a decent person. we were discussing the merits of a single use instance and why people who arent decent people might gravitate towards one.

@trinsec @Biggles @bolapara @frayoshi

@freemo@qoto.org @trinsec@qoto.org @Biggles@qoto.org @bolapara@qoto.org @frayoshi@qoto.org yea i got that, i just don't think it's reasonable to say that if you are decent you don't benefit from being on your own instance. i mean your instance gets blocked just for federating with other instances so im sure you understand that every person's idea of decent varies

@emma Of course, I dont think anyone was saying that all people on single user instances are decent people... at least I wasnt.

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