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Stole this one from @stux , felt it deserved its own toot. LOL We got this moron Donald Trump Going up against Mumbles McBiden, America doesnt stand a chance.
Sorry but I've read the defunding plan in detail and its the worse plan I've ever heard, and it wont ever get passed anyway.
Sorry but as someone who has lived in many countries and traveled to many more I've seen first hand what police forces and the community look like both in well funded and not so well funded police. I've seen well funded police that do their job well, I've seen poorly funded police that made me scared for my life.
Defunding is a naive and ignorant plan that wont work and just makes things worse.
Would be to onumerous to list them all to be honest.
I've seen the official stuff put out by BLM, I've seen several writeups from BLM members and supporters adding their own take, I've read the history of Camden and their attempts and failures, etc.
You are the first person I ever met face to face who actually thought it would work mind you, most of what I read came from BLM leadership and supporters rather than from day to day people I meet, who all have been strongly against it as a plan
You cant refine a bad idea... Any solution that is "refined" by "experts" and actually works wont look anything like the defunding plans.
In fact most plans that will work might see certain aspects of police see less funding (like their weapons budget) overall any viable plan is likely to see increases in budget but in the right places (oversight, new laws, new agencies, body cams, pretty much the areas I listed in my 9 point plan).
I am not necceseraly objecting to splitting up the police into seperate agencies. In fact in a lot of the USA we do that already in some minor ways. The police arent the ones who invest their time into writing parking tickets for example.
But again what it all comes down to for me is
1) Other places have not shown consistent success in this approach in the cases I know of it has either made matters worse or at best marginally better (and often didnt have the problems we had in the first place).
2) It simply is naive to and does not address the underlying issues. Which is that the people who are given the power to arrest others cover up their own mistakes and ultimately coordinate with the DA who has a conflict of interest when it comes to persecuting them as well.
On the flip side the countries I've been to with the most excellent police forces are often highly funded. Which demonstrates to me that funding is not the red pill it is made out to be.
Who are you talking about. I'm not a white person, I'm a Native American and frankly I'm insulted you would assume you have any clue what my race is without asking, let alone to use that as fodder against me.
Check your privilage. That is the first time you have said something out of line, normally I find you passionate thought respectful.
Ok thats more fair at least, and if you have some native american blood in you, even if it were a small portion I'd never be so rude as to insist you are white.
Keep in mind there is a huge difference between calling me white and saying "people may mistake you for being white and thus treat you as white" the latter I wouldnt find as offense, I only found it as offensive to explicitly call me white.
You are never annoying me. Your views, while often very different than my own, are always welcome. You've always engaged respectfully (though i know sometimes it has gotten passionate for you and even a little heated). but difference of opinion is important to have a voice in any conversation.
You are always mroe than welcome to share your opinions in any of my threads, no matter how much I may disagree with it.
In other words the privilege of living amongst your own and not looking dangerous
It always boils down to that, there's no such thing as privilege it's just close people being close and judging others by how they look
Are there terribly racist countries? Yeah but they are all left wing or simply not relevant to the lefty agenda
if optimism is a core part of your plan you're fucked dude
what the state need is a leading head, a council will never go anywhere unless the members are leaders themselves (this isn't the case) and even then that often goes nowhere
there are contexts where the opposite is truth but I don't see this being the case
While i agree there is no shortage of racism from the left, there is also no shortage of legitimate racism from the right. The bigger difference i find, however, is the left is often quick to label anyone who criticizes their approach as a racist. Thankfully Penny doesnt appear to have any of these problems. She is good people.
it would be stupid to say the right isn't racist but it's difficult for me to believe that a right wing country is anywhere comparable to a left leaning country even on the extremes
Leaving aside ill conceived inmigration policies and situational extremes because they don't really represent what the average joe feels
But to answer your question, the netherlands is an example of a very highly funded police department (in fact the Netherlands spends loads of money on all its government services, to the extream), I will have to look up the exact numbers though. In all my time there I dont recall actually hearing about anyone, minority or otherwise, being shot to death by a police officer. I'd be curious to see the last time it happened. I'd be shocked if it happened even once a year to be honest.
The minority death numbers of any place are always the lowest... What's your point?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
