@twotwenty YEa I mostly agree. Thing with "Fallacy of Accent" is if its done intentionally or not. A person can say one thing, and argue for hours and once backed into a corner and know they are wrong claim they meant something entierly different, presuming their original statement is ambiguous enough. When it is used intentionally to flip your story it can be be quite annoying.

@Parienve I find the more subtle forms of ad baculum to be the most insidious. Yea the whole "Your an idiot ill kill you" if you dont agree with someone makes it impossible to take them seriously. But thankfully its so absurd I dont even consider it here.

The worse form of it goes something like this:

"I support providing therapy for people with inappropriate sexual urges so they dont act on it."

them: "Oh so you are a pedophile sympathizer, I'm sure you are real popular with the ladies"

Basically implying that the whole of society will hate you for your viewpoint, as if how much you are liked somehow effects what the truth is.

@freemo
Agreed. I've seen such forms used to bully people out of what may have otherwise been good-faith discussions.

@Parienve It is sadly all too common. It is a particularly common tactic in extreme conservative and liberal circles where public opinion seems to be of high importance, as well as following witht he majority. Questioning the stance of either group, even as a member will get you a lot of ire.

@freemo Every time someone asks me if I am a conservative or a liberal, my reply is : "I'm a hypocrite"

Here is a unpopular thought:
There are amazing people in both "left" and "right".

@djatropine444 There certainly are... In the USA they make up a vanishingly small percentage, but they do exist in very small numbers on either side.

Thankfully outside of the USA such people are far more common.

It is those who treat it like a gang affiliation.
It's like east side vs. west side beef.
I propose a mandate that both side hit a bong and not each other & have a beer.

@djatropine444 agreed entierly. The issue is in the USA that mentality is just far too common on both sides.

I recently learned that politicians in d.c., (both sides) often spend 25 hours a week doing fundraising. Voters seeing politicians like rock stars, and the politicians seeing their voter base as "fans"

Example: Joe Cunningham Democrat South Carolina told the truth in the halls of Congress. " grandfather had always told him you could solve almost any problem by sitting down and having a beer together. " Pulls a beer from his coat pocket and cracked open a beer like pro.

@djatropine444 My family has a close history with politicians and have given a lot of money to them. Trump was over my family home for dinner and his kids spent the night back when he was fund raising. Biden also was over for dinner back when he was fund raising.

So yea I can atest these guys invest a lot of time, even with a single person, trying to convince them they arent slime balls so they can get a few 100k

And let me guess.
Trump isn't rich and neither am I?
And in real life they are probably friends, yet on TV it's like professional wrestling. Like the documentary Perfect Enemies? : D

In that case I have a proposal.
Pay Per View for one month charge for C-Span.
WWE pay Congress&Senators to have a wrestling match(like in British Parliment) no holds bar table lattes and chairs and main event with Trump n Biden, Bernie and all of the presidentiial candidates.

That is my solution to the national debt. :D

@djatropine444 I have no idea if you are rich honestly. I'm also not sure if Trump is rich, I dont get to see his checkbook nor does my family. For a rich person he does an awful lot of begging for chump change though, so take that for what you will.

But yea your right that they are generally very different people behind the scenes than on TV. Its all for the cameras mostly.

I will 100% support that wrestling match.

Everyone I have brought up the idea of the wrestling match, supports it. As much as Trump LOVES being in the spotlight I know he would love my national debt plan and Bide would love it too.

@djatropine444 They cant, by virtue of their followers, agree on liking anything, no matter how much they want to. So I am certain at least one of them would absolutely hate it :)

So you are telling me by virtue of their followers, they actually ENJOY national debt?!?!?

In that case I want to attend a Trump rally while on a bag of mushrooms dressed as Bernie and sell autographs for a dollar. :D

I can verify that if you eat mushrooms & whippets and watch a Trump rally, his head expands and expands and expands.

In fact I would let Trump body slam me if he said to the crowd "It's Crazy Bernie" . I would let him body slam me.

@djatropine444 I wouldnt say they enjoy national ddebt exact. More like they couldnt give a flying fuck about national debt, or national anything. They have absolutely no interest in fixing problems. They care if they are elected, and if their party wins seats. Nothing more, nothing less.

Can't resolve anything if they are all given the treatment of rock stars. They wan to continue pretending to be enemies. Even you filled up Congress/Senate with brand new members they would end up like the ones right now.

@djatropine444 I agree, the issue isnt with the politicans, politicians and their behaviors is merely the symptom. The problem is with the american voter for sure.

The scary thing. I really know nothing about the political game. I only have a bit of understanding of the monetary system.

The only thing I know about Joe, is: Rave Act,
the state of Delaware. The things come to mind when I think of Delaware.
Private Equity Firms
Mastercard
Clam Chowder

@Parienve
Great episode.
@freemo

@mc yes that one is particularly painful. I find it is often closely related to
Argumentum ad baculum in the sense that it implies if you dont agree with the authority (which is usually a majority held position of a democratic government) then you willb e unpopular with most people.

Not at all the same but they have a similar vibe sometimes.