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Perfect example of why I just cant bring myself to vote for Biden despite hating Trump... I just cant in my right mind be associated with people who act this way.
@spoltier huh? There are tons of people on the ballot, its not like there are only two choices on the ballot or something.
@freemo I have to say I didn't know exactly how it works! Looks like different states have different people on the ballot even for the presidential election.
Page 10-11 of this PDF shows all the people who were on at least one ballot in 2020, it's... surprising. https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2020.pdf
@spoltier @freemo it's not really THAT hard to get on the ballot for president in at least one state, but doing it in all states is a much bigger deal. Having teams with experienced people to do that is one of the things the national party organizations do - handling the petitions to get someone on the ballot, and in some cases challenging the petitions of other possible candidates.
This is true, and effects even the biggest parties. We have already seen this with r3publicans/trump being blocked by the judicial system in tbr upcoming ballot.
@spoltier @freemo as a side note, this may be of interest re president. Links on the page to state races.
https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candidates
@freemo And yet you don't apply that same logic to the freemasons?
Any sufficiently large group will attract a few nutjobs, but that doesn't mean the larger group is unworthy of association.
The main reason I find Trump so worrisome is that he's brought this extremist fringe to the mainstream on the right. Whereas on the left, the fringe is still just a tiny minority of loud preachy assholes.
@LouisIngenthron a few nuts is very different than voting for a nut to lead the whole group by majority vote.
Also freemasons are distributed, each lodge manages itself and may or may not have a parent lodge.
@LouisIngenthron also thr majority on the left voted for biden and in my expiernce the .ajority of thr left are almost as bonkers as thr majority of tbe right.
If this werent the norm behavior on the left id probably be more willing to consider them.
But more to the point freemasons i cant evaluate too well till im in it. If this is the norm for thrm id leave.
@freemo show a better example - that's the most constructive advice I have.
@mjambon luckily i have shared tons, there are several a day at least of this caliber or worse.
@freemo oh no, what I meant is that you should behave your best so as to be a good example of what <insert ideology> is really about. It's not because some asshole does asshole things in the name of some ideology that they're in line with the ideology.
@freemo I'm absolutely sure you have more and better reasons, and I do not want to make you change your mind, but this doesn't seem like a good reason. I suspect no matter which name you cross on the ballot, you will have made the same choice as some truly deranged people.
Maybe you can write in someone obscure ? But at that point you might as well abstain.