ᛕᎥᕼᗷᗴᖇᑎᗴ丅Ꭵᑕᔕ @Kihbernetics@qoto.org
- https://twitter.com/Kihbernetics
#Kihbernetics is the study of #Complex #Dynamical #Systems with #Memory which is very different from all other #SystemsThinking approaches. Kihbernetic theory and principles are derived primarily from these three sources:
1️⃣ #CE_Shannon's theory of #Information and his description of a #Transducer,
2️⃣ #WR_Ashby's #Cybernetics and his concept of #Transformation, and
3️⃣ #HR_Maturana's theory of #Autopoiesis and the resulting #Constructivism
Although applicable to any dynamical system with memory (mechanisms, organisms, or organizations) we developed our Kihbernetic worldview mostly to help people navigate their #organization through times of #change.
We define* an organization as:
"An integrated composite of people, products, and processes that provide a capability to satisfy a stated need or objective."
*Definition of the word "system" in MIL_STD_499B
#People are at the forefront of our thinking (the #who and #why are we doing this for and/or with?).
We then focus our efforts on understanding all the functions or #Processes in your organization (#how and #when something happens or has to happen?).
Finally, we get to analyze the #Products and/or services that you put on the market but are mostly interested in the tools that you use or may need to buy or develop in order to fully integrate your production system (the plan for #what and #where things will happen?).
Our goal is to make the people of your organization self-reliant to the point that they shouldn't need our assistance with the continuous maintenance and adaptation of the system.
In any case, we've got your back while you do the heavy lifting of establishing a better future for your organization!
Joined Nov 2022
Just saying that from where I stand there are no external information sources that can or should be regulated. Everything is just #data.
Every one of us as a #dynamical #learning #system creates our own #information based on whatever data we deem trustworthy in this external cacophony.
What data we select to create our own information and what we make with it depends solely on the internal state of our current #knowledge.
The environment can throw anything at you but what you make of it is up to you. While someone may get "sucked in" the downward spiral of conspiracy theories, others (with a different knowledge state) will just get annoyed.
So, bottom line? #Education is of paramount importance.
Control in #Cybernetics always has to come from the outside or is exerted, not internally onto the elements that make the system but onto something else outside of the "control" system.
Even such brilliant thinkers as #FJ_Varela, one of the "fathers" of #autopoiesis could not escape this profoundly ingrained "cybernetic" assumption:
>"#Autonomy means, literally, self-law. To see what this entails, it is easier to contrast it with its mirror image, #allonomy or **external law**. This is, of course, what we call #control. These two images, autonomy and control, do a continuous dance."
**Francisco J. Varela** - *Principles Of Biological Autonomy*
Control theories such as #PCT (Perceptual Control Theory), which are based on #Cybernetics, are primarily focused on the #negative_feedback control loop closed through the system's #environment and have little or no concern for the more important, internal #positive_feedback motor loop controlling the system's #growth and #learning cycles.
Having "information police" hunting "bad influencers" and dismantling their communication networks is a bad idea. Who decides what is the "misinformation" that needs to be hunted down?
If only people could get somehow inoculated with #knowledge so they are "immune" to conspiracy theories. Ah yes, it's called #education.😉
>The natural history of systems which exhibit #autonomy as a characteristic phenomenology shows that they share one universal feature suggested by #autopoiesis: organizational closure, i.e. indefinite recursion of component interaction.
(ibid. p79)
>#Autonomy - the assertion of the system's #identity through its internal functioning and self-regulation.
#FJ_Varela - *On Being Autonomous: The Lessons of Natural History for Systems Theory*
in:
*Applied General Systems Research* - 1978 - #GJ_Klir (ed.)
p. 77
https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-1-4757-0555-3
Why "versus"? It is all connected and, in fact, really simple.
Evidence is #Information distilled out from #Data by the #LearningSystem according to its current #Knowledge #state.
The extracted information is then *integrated* with the existing knowledge into a new knowledge state that will define both what further information (evidence) will be extracted from new (or the same) data as well as the system's behavior (e.g. questions asked):
I find watching this video distracting
Here are the original CBC Massey Lectures:
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-1973-cbc-massey-lectures-designing-freedom-1.2946819
The book (with pictures
:-)
https://www.amazon.ca/Designing-Freedom-CBC-Massey-Lectures-ebook/dp/B00WRNWB4G
The #state I'm talking about is the present state of every living #DynamicalSystem which is controlled by the closed ***autopoietic*** process of #growth and #learning:
@karlo @jackofalltrades @MalthusJohn
#FreeWill is a *misnomer*. If our will is *free to do as it pleases* then we don't have any say in the decisions it makes.
The problem of #Will has nothing to do with #determinism. It is all about #Control.
As #individuals, we are born ***unwillingly*** within the #nature of our genes and the #nurture of our environment, family, culture, and society, upon which we have little or no *control*.
However, our #individuality (*singular*) and our current #knowledge #state were also affected over the years by layers upon layers of little decisions that we've made to ***willingly*** transition from one state to another "better" one.
In#Kihbernetics, #information, #knowledge, and #control are all internal to the system.
The #environment may throw things at you but how you #respond is totally up to you (your current state).
>In hierarchical societies, mockery is often associated with bullies whose power exceeds their moral authority. But it is also a tool of the weak, a means to pillory those in power and hold them to account. In the Ju/’hoan case this is best reflected in the traditional practice of ***“insulting the hunter’s meat.”***
Suzman, James. Work (p. 162). Penguin Publishing Group
With Musk, Biden is here just using an old, proven, hunter-gatherers' method to get booming young hunters in line 😎:
https://news.yahoo.com/elon-musk-said-voted-biden-110900121.html
“Yes, when a young man kills much meat he comes to think of himself as a chief or a big man, and he thinks of the rest of us as his servants or inferiors,” one Kalahari hunter told the anthropologist Richard B Lee in 1968. “We can’t accept this. We refuse one who boasts, for someday his pride will make him kill somebody. So we always speak of his meat as worthless."
Some authors consider the #TuringTest not a good test for finding out if an #AI is really “intelligent” because the test is "*purely behavioral*" and looks only at responses without investigating the mechanisms that produced them.
I think that asking for the "mechanisms" would in fact introduce unnecessary bias and invalidate the test. The test is solid in principle, it is just that we have to come up with some better test cases (scenarios).
#Meaning is usually described with #VectorSpace #Semantics as in the article below comparing the works from #CAShannon and #AMTuring:
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1093/bjps/axx029
Basically, what vector space semantics says is that the meaning of a message depends on the #Context provided by the sender's and the receiver's #DynamicalSystem #Knowledge #State.
As they are two different physical entities they will obviously be in different states, so the two meaning can never be *exactly* the same.
>"Shannon's theory of information ignores #meaning. In his communications study, he was only interested in whether the bits transmitted reduce the #uncertainty in a receiver about the sender's state"
Or reducing the uncertainty about what the sender was **meaning** to say?😀
https://aeon.co/essays/what-can-schrodingers-cat-say-about-3d-printers-on-mars
How to pronounce #Kihbernetics (from greek κυβερνήτης - governor)
https://forvo.com/word/%CE%BA%CF%85%CE%B2%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%BD%CE%AE%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82/
@true_mxp
According to Dupuy himself, the English translation is much better😀
>One of the main themes of the present book is the confrontation
between Norbert Wiener and John von Neumann, Wiener embodying the ideas of control, mastery, and design, von Neumann the ideas of complexity and self-organization. Cybernetics never succeeded in resolving the tension, indeed the contradiction, between these two perspectives; more specifically, it never managed to give a satisfactory answer to the problems involved in realizing its ambition of *designing* an autonomous, self-organizing machine.
>"The aim of cognitive science always was - and still is today- the mechanization of the mind, not the humanization of the machine."
*Jean-Pierre Dupuy*
***The Mechanization of the Mind:***
*On the Origins of Cognitive Science*
https://www.google.ca/books/edition/On_the_Origins_of_Cognitive_Science/gDoiEAAAQBAJ
Ashby's principle of requisite #variety states, in fact, that the variety of the #controlling system must be large at least as the variety of the #controlled system .
As an *external* #observer can never have the full picture of the *internal* variety of states the controlled system can find itself in, it is obvious that, for control to be #effective, the controller must be an integral part of the same self-organized (controlled) #system.
- https://twitter.com/Kihbernetics
#Kihbernetics is the study of #Complex #Dynamical #Systems with #Memory which is very different from all other #SystemsThinking approaches. Kihbernetic theory and principles are derived primarily from these three sources:
1️⃣ #CE_Shannon's theory of #Information and his description of a #Transducer,
2️⃣ #WR_Ashby's #Cybernetics and his concept of #Transformation, and
3️⃣ #HR_Maturana's theory of #Autopoiesis and the resulting #Constructivism
Although applicable to any dynamical system with memory (mechanisms, organisms, or organizations) we developed our Kihbernetic worldview mostly to help people navigate their #organization through times of #change.
We define* an organization as:
"An integrated composite of people, products, and processes that provide a capability to satisfy a stated need or objective."
*Definition of the word "system" in MIL_STD_499B
#People are at the forefront of our thinking (the #who and #why are we doing this for and/or with?).
We then focus our efforts on understanding all the functions or #Processes in your organization (#how and #when something happens or has to happen?).
Finally, we get to analyze the #Products and/or services that you put on the market but are mostly interested in the tools that you use or may need to buy or develop in order to fully integrate your production system (the plan for #what and #where things will happen?).
Our goal is to make the people of your organization self-reliant to the point that they shouldn't need our assistance with the continuous maintenance and adaptation of the system.
In any case, we've got your back while you do the heavy lifting of establishing a better future for your organization!
Joined Nov 2022
