Donald Trump is in court again today, facing a civil trial that could cost him his business empire. Trump, his sons, and his company stand accused of falsely inflating property value prices in order to obtain favorable loans.

@georgetakei Him loosing everything would make me happy.

@freemo @georgetakei that sounds like mental disorder

@thatguyoverthere

I guess its a mental disorder to want evil cruel people to have the level of success they truely deserve.

@georgetakei

@freemo @georgetakei "I can't prove he tried to take over the world, but let's take all his stuff"

@thatguyoverthere

Ahh right lets make up phrases that in no way resemble anything said and then put quotes around it so I can argue with it and make it look like im arguing with the person I quoted when in reality im just arguing with ghosts my imagination made up....

Carry on.

@georgetakei

@freemo @georgetakei the only reason he's even in court is j6. It's all political. Pretending it's otherwise is pseudointellectual

> is j6

The reason he's in court is because The Oligarchy doesn't like him. It's been that way since 2016.

Whether you side with him or with them is kind of a personal decision, and who is really in the right or in the wrong is probably something we mere mortals will never know.

But lets not be silly and pretend like all these different court cases are being brought by completely different and unrelated people for entirely different reasons.

@cjd

I mean sure, the oligarchy doesnt like him and im sure thats making it much worse on him...

But the fact that he is an evil, racist man who lies through his teeth and does illegal things at every turn might have a tiny bit to do with it too.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

> an evil, racist man who lies through his teeth and does illegal things at every turn

Did you deduce that from first principles, or did you fall asleep with the TV on and wake up knowing it ?

@cjd

I have no access to TV or cable... so first principles is the only answer

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

I think that to see him as a *particularly* bad guy requires a lot of ignorance to what The Oligarchy does.

They and their little "free trade agreements" turned vast swaths of America into an unlivable hell-scape the likes of which are not seen anywhere else in the world. Then you have 9/11, patriot act, and Bush's forever wars and dumping of heroin on the people, in addition to destroying America's credibility in the world by wanton embrace of torture.

I don't know how you measure "evil" but if it's by the amount of human suffering created, 1000 Trumps couldn't even hold a candle to what the Clinton or Bush families have been capable of.

@cjd

No matter how bad the oliharchy is doesnt change how bad Trump is. Then you go on to talk about Bush and clinton... thats alot of words for "other things suck"... ok.. how does other things sucking have **any relevance to how much Trump sucks?

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

It is very important, because he and they are in political power competition. If you believe in ethical good/evil, then one of those sides must be less evil than the other and the ethical thing to do is to back that side.

Now maybe your position is that they're all so deeply compromised that you don't really have an opinion about who is worse - and that's a position I can respect.

But when you SPECIFICALLY single out Trump, I can't help but think that you are in fact pro-Clinton/Bush oligarchy so I'm going to make you explain how you square your ethics with their crimes against humanity.

@cjd

I didnt say your side points were important.. they may be very important tangents... but they dont change a damn thing about how much Donald is a piece of shit... It just means he is a piece of shit who pissed people off and people are out for blood. It also just means everyone else is also a piece of shit... again not changing the fact that so is Donald.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

Flash election: Donald Trump vs. George W. Bush.
Who are you voting for ?

@cjd

Thats like asking me who I vote for, a piece of cabbage in a comma, or a wet orange colored turd... Who cares, at that point id be doing a write in if those were my only choices.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

So by writing in somebody who is obviously not going to win, you essentially choose to abstain. A LOT of people do this which is why voter turnout is so low.

If you're not willing to make an analysis of which is the lesser of two evils, then in general you will end up with the greater evil.

In the words of Joseph de Maistre, "In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." and a lot of what has befallen America over the past 50 years is indeed well deserved.

@cjd

> So by writing in somebody who is obviously not going to win, you essentially choose to abstain. A LOT of people do this which is why voter turnout is so low.

No not necessarily. If enough people are upset by the choices and enough people write it in, it does become a valid vote (write ins are counted in many countries).

In any sensible country if you had two choices as evil as the ones we have right now everyone woul writein and we would have change... sadly we wont.

But your asking me "Do you choose guy one who will be evil to people or guy two".. yes every time my answer will be "I wont choose evil people, but I will be happy to fight int he civil war. Which is exactly what I'd say if my choice was Stalin or Hitler... if its Bush or Trump .. sadly i doubt there would be a civil war for that, but there should be.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@freemo @cjd @georgetakei > I won't choose evil people

what does "evil" mean to you? What is one thing Trump has done that makes him "evil"?

I have no problems with a write in myself. I am planning to either abstain or vote for AfroMan in 2024. I just think using adjectives like evil to describe him is caused by brainworms.

@thatguyoverthere

Trump has done a very many things that are evil... lying, explicitly trying to deny people access to his businesses for the color of their skin, mocking disabled people... The fact that you dont think he has ever been evil publicly (let alone non publicly) is shocking to say the least.

@cjd @georgetakei

This seems like a very childish perspective of evil, like how a person would describe evil if they'd never learned about war, famine, genocide, etc.

@cjd

If you think making fun of a crippled person in a public setting when acting as president is "childish" to see as a form of evil then we are done talking.. I dont want to interact with anyone who thinks that is a morally good, rather than evil, expression.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

No, I'm calling YOU childish because we live in a world of:

* Wars engineered on false pretenses
* Genocide & holocaust
* Engineered famine / holodomor
* Human & child trafficking & slavery

And yet your conception of EVIL is a guy standing on a podium making fun of a crippled journalist.

@cjd

Yes I know what you were saying...

> And yet your conception of EVIL is a guy standing on a podium making fun of a crippled journalist.

So other things existing int he world is evil makes mocking a crippled person not evil?

Sorry but with logic like that you dont get to say what is childish.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

You are devaluing the meaning of the word Evil.

Mocking somebody on stage might be rude, it might be in bad taste, it might be offensive, but it's not evil.

When you begin instinctively reaching for the most extreme word you can find to describe everything you don't like, your words cease to mean anything at all.

This is endemic of the period we are living in, modern language is collapsing down into Nazis, and Literally Hitler, and Worst Thing Ever. As art becomes paint splatters, food becomes slop and academia becomes GPT-generated drivel.

@cjd

> You are devaluing the meaning of the word Evil.

Why do people who always argue for Trump struggle so much with the idea that concepts exist on a scale, not simply are or arent.

Sayng there are greater evils that can exist is a piss poor (and childish) argument to try to make the case that something isnt evil.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@cjd

I mean sure... he raped a few people, mocked a disabled person for being disabled, specifically denied work to people for being black... but you know, he didnt murder **everyone** he met, and some people do, so calling him evil would be devaluing the word evil....

::hard eye roll::

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@freemo @cjd @georgetakei "raped"

Have you seen biden around kids

@thatguyoverthere

Right, cause how biden is around kids has anything at all to do with if Trump raped a woman or not... Even if Biden literally had an orgy with little kids it still would not have one iota of relevance to if Trump is an evil person or not.... get this Biden is evil too, doesnt change a damn thing about Trump.

@cjd @georgetakei