🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@Liberty4Masses Depends on the context. A temple can be used to refer to any space which either contains or is itself an "object of reverence". Reverence is defined as "deep respect".

So a temple is also not a requirement for or a defining quality of a religion. There are religions which have no sense of a temple, and there are some that have temples, just as there are non-religious people who may regard certain buildings as temples due to the deep respect they have for such a space.

@Liberty4Masses Ritual is not the defining quality of what is or is not a religion.

@cm It is no different with illegal immigration. If they talk about a particular instance they are more specific. Instead of saying "He illegally immigrated" they might say "he crossed the border illegally". The only time "illegal immigrants" are used is when talking about the group en mass, and specifically of all forms of illegal immigration (cross border illegally, gettign a week travel visa and staying for years, etc).

Same as we might expect a cop talking about traffic. If it is the holiday and they are being specific to DUI they will say "Drunk drivers" because its more specific. There is rarely a crack down on all illegal drivers its usually a crack down on something specific like speeding or drunk driving.

@trianglman

@cm Because usually people arent refering to all people who break all laws as one group in a statement. If someone is specifically speeding then that is what is referenced. Only time youll hear something like "illegal drivers" would be in refernce to a crack down on all driving violations. Which as I said would be a rare statement to make.

@trianglman

@trianglman So if "everyone" who fights for more accurate language such as "illegal immigrant" is bigoted, please show me where I've displayed bigotry towards any race or people. Thats an absurd personal attack with no justification.

Most people who use "illegal immigrant" do not apply it to people who entered legally but simply overstayed their visa or lost the paperwork. Not unless they overstay their visa by years or decades, at which point it is clearly an illegal act and not a slight mistake.

The vast majority of the time that term is used is in reference to people who sneak across the border with no visa of any kind. In other words, they only use the word when in fact they took an action they knew to be illegal at the time. And yes, they would just as quickly use that term to refer to a canadian who sneaked across the border without a visa too, if such a thing were to happen.

I am both disturbed and amused by this at the same time.

Again, while that may be the intention of a small minority, that is not what i see from most people who use the phrase "illegal immigrants".. for the vast majority of people who use that phrase they mean, very clearly an precisely people who immigrated illegally.

In fact, youd think if you really jsut cared about accuracy of language youd be more likely to support "illegal immigrant" over "undocumented immigrant". It is possible for me to be without documents but still legal (for example someone who lost their documentation). It isnt very specific and is intended to blurr the lines between people who just dont have paperwork and people who actively committed a crime. Just as a person with forged documents wouldnt be "undocumented" but would be illegal.

@trianglman Who said ANY form? Some forms of immigrating are illegal, others are legal. If you do it illegally we call it, go figure, illegal, if you do it legally we call it legal.

So your assertion that "immigration is not illegal" is not true, sometimes it is, sometimes it isnt, depends on how you did it.

@trianglman Also the difference between "speeder" and "driver" really depends on contect. If for example a police officer was giving an announcement about how they were going to crack down on all sorts of illegal driving from DUI to speeding they might say "We want to get illegal drivers off the road". No one would bat an eye at this.

The only reason it sounds unusual is we dont usually have a context come up where it applies, namely a group of people doing illegal things under a particular category en mass. When we do this sort of language is perfectly natural.

@trianglman That makes no sense, of COURSE immigration can be illegal. A country makes laws, they make certain things illegal, one of those things is immigrating without permission.

Obviously if you say or behave in a way that suggests you have bias against brown, white or any other people based solely on skin tone then yes you are wrong, that should be called out. However as i pointed out with my own expiernce in holland that is not the case. The term is used fairly equally for anyone who immigrates illegally and when it isnt used equally then by all means call out the people who dont use it equally.

Trying to redefine the word or make the word itself off-limits does nothing to create that equality other than waste everyones time and energy however, as with anything on the euphemism treadmill.

@trianglman Also I am an american who overstayed my visa in holland by a few days. I refered to myself and my friends constantly referred to me as "being here illegally", the reason "illegal immigrant" didnt apply is because I didnt immigrate there, I went home just a few days late. But yea if i decided to stay and didnt leave of course I'd be an illegal immigrant to.

@trianglman "illegal immigration" and "illegal immigrant" refers to the the action of immigration being illegal.

So yes we DO. When someone drives 30 in a 20 zone we say they are "illegally driving", or "illegal driving" or if we want to be specific "illegal speeding".

So yes we do it all the time, when someone does something illegally we call that act illegal, nothing new there.

Calling an illegal immigrant an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling someone who is breaking and entering into your home an "undocumented tenant".

This is coming from a person who believes illegal immigrants are not worth our time or money to prevent and, if we werent a welfare state, I'd be pushing for open borders.

Pulled out my old Directional Coupler project. It worked very well according to my spectrum analyzer. So going to build this design in to some thick well shielded project box. The old design just used solder boards I fused together. So far just got the holes drilled for the new project.

This will ultimately be the couplers I'll be using on the ROES meter to get me full PEP capable (1500 watts)

I'm amazed by just how long it takes to organize over a thousand teeny tiny surface mount electrical. components.

AhhhhhaHhhh

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@decolonialbooks
No problem, I followed you there. By the way you are welcome to have as many accounts at the same time on #QOTO as you'd like. The obvious stipulation is you just cant use multiple accounts to bypass any rules or warnings (which we very rarely need to give).

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I love this keyboard because it completely disassembles if you need to fix it or even just want a new keyboard layout (like Dvorak). Well that and its a clicky keyboard so when I type it sounds like a million angels tap dancing :)

@hakui
I appreciated the new information. No worries there.

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