🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@freeschool

Yea there is certainly a element of prioritization for what time I do have.But its a bit random too based on what is in front of my face in the moments I have free and how much of a block of time it will take.

Like if there are 20 things that take 5 minutes I am more likely to do it than 1 thing that takes 100 minutes simply because I can dish out 5 minute increments more easily than a large block.

@modrobert

@freeschool

My big issue is I have interest in more things than I have time for. A lot of what takes my time up is work more than personal interest. Outside of work I got the gym, and studies I do and have very little spare time in the end. Usually its the vacations where I have extra time but on the last one I had limited internet.

@modrobert

@modrobert

Agreed, which is why i say there needs to be some support as well (and this includes better help with food and neccesities). But that help also needs to be conditional on people doing their part, whether that is therapy, job training, or whatever.

@freeschool

@modrobert

Its fairly rare that someones poor status is entierly the fault of some greedy rich person. I grew up poor, most poor people make the wrong decisions that keep them poor combined with not having good resources to help them make the right decision, it is a bit of both.

I know many rich people who offer advice and make amazing mentors for people looking to get out of poverty. Sadly the impression of "rich people evil" means very often poor people dont even take the first step of looking for a rich mentor to help them succeed. When they do they often just dont take the steps needed.

I have financially supported over a dozen people in my life with the intent of getting them on their feet and making them financially successful. Many simply didnt do what was needed of them for success and had no one to blame but themselves. A small number took my advice and guidance and most of them are veryw ell to do today.

Victim mentality is one of the core problems keeping poor people down. More programs to help them would be great but they wont do squat until they take responsibility for their own situation.

@freeschool

@modrobert

Yes it is. I am not saying there isnt a problem. I am saying you are misidentifying what that problem is

@freeschool

@modrobert

I dont agree. It isnt the wage gap that leads to revolution. It is the quality of life and quantity of the lowest paid tier of society. As long as the poor have a good overall quality of life the wage gap wont matter, particularly if the system is fair and the rich represent self-made rich people (As it currently does)

@freeschool

@modrobert

The problem is that it isnt a problem isolated to the rich. Many politicians start out very much not rich and take advantage of the system (ultimately becoming rich if they are good or staying poor if they arent). As such they, as middle-class and below are equally to blame for taking the bribes in the first place.

Never mind the fact that the rich buying off politicians is a small fraction of the overall problem which extends well beyond bribery or the rich.

@freeschool

@modrobert

This is true, but where we disagree is whose fault it is. I argue its everyones fault, you seem to think the blame mostly lies on the wealthy.

@freeschool

@modrobert

30 million is more than enough to buy politicians. My step dad is worth 25 million and both Trump and Biden were over his house and spent the night in an attempt to get money from him. So yea, more than enough to buy politicians.

@freeschool

@modrobert

Now more importantly, what study or professionally executed report do **you** get your data from to suggest most wealthy people are born to it?

@freeschool

@modrobert

I get that number and numbers like it from countless studies I've read. Plus it is quite obvious as I deal with rich people every day, the vast majority of whome are self-made.

Here is one such report for you out of a great many that all reaffirm the same data: https://www.wealthx.com/report/world-ultra-wealth-report-2019/

@freeschool

@modrobert

That assertion is in direct contradiction to the fact that the overwhelming majority of the rich started as poor or middle class.. so you point is simply false.

@freeschool

@modrobert

By the way to give you specific numbers: 68% of people who have 30 million dollars or more started out as poor or middle class.

@freeschool

@modrobert

What you just said is not contrary to what I said.

The vast majority of the rich were born poor and middle class. But there are very few rich people, ergo, your change of becoming rich is still low.

Lets face it, the rich represent (mostly) the people who are the absolute best at making money. Not everyone can be the best, most people cant be the best, but being the best is open to anyone no matter how you started.

@freeschool

@modrobert

That means there are even fewer rich assholes and even more poor assholes. So doesnt really change the crux of the argument here.

That said uneven wealth distribution is not the issue and never has been. The true measure should be the oppertunity afforded to the poor and middle class and their quality of life.

Lets not forget more than half of the wealthy people started out in life as poor or middle class.

@freeschool