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@mike805 I really really dont get it... how can this be our best and brightest, neither of them can dress themselves without help...

@freemo
I was under the assumption that Dem-leaning voters would either sit out or vote third party. I voted for HRC knowing she could lose and received the toxic behavior from VBNMW. I live in CT and so won't be swinging my state's ECVs by voting for 3rd party, will still get the same abrasive treatment for being a crypto-Trump supporter as I did when I voted for the Dem nom in '16 as I get for voting for the Greens.

Lesson needed to be learnt:
More flies w/ honey than vinegar

@RickiTarr

This presidential election is going to be like watching a cage match at a nursing home... I swear we picked the two people in the USA least mentally capable to compete in running the place....

Why are Progressives so good at fighting amongst themselves, and totally missing the mark at what they should be fighting against?

@freemo Yep, something like that lol, I know it's not everyone, but sometimes...let's just put our shit aside to avoid Hitler Jr

@RickiTarr It certainly isnt everyone, I agree. The problem is it often **looks** like it is everyone simply because they are the loudest and most memorable. Thats part of the problem, even when a few of a group do it it ruins it for the entire group.

@realcaseyrollins

No offense, truly... but I feel like you need to travel more. If you did I dont think you would ever utter such a thing. The world news is not an accurate depiction of the social changes taking place.

@NBC

@freemo @RickiTarr
I don't think that the toxicity drives anyone to be conservative, but may throw their hands up and give up on everything.

I agree with you that there should be tolerance for nuance, since reflexive abrasiveness is very off-putting and counter productive if we need as many people as possible to win elections.

@Sean

Literally everyone I know personally from before Trump existed who is now claiming they will vote Trump have never voted republican before and most have voted democrat the majority of times in the past (and third party other times).

So while I certainly cant speak for how big of a trend it is, I can say I have seen it in droves personally.

I can even say I've been so deeply hurt by other democrats despite the fact that I voted for obama and have quite voted democrat in the past I have decided I can no longer support them moving forward given the deplorable way they treat people. While I also cant in good conscious vote Trump I can say it certainly has lost my democrat vote.

@RickiTarr

@freemo that makes sense hiring at a junior level, but if you are hiring at a senior level, I think you need to be really careful that the toy project has adequate complexity to show the skills and experience you are looking for.

@musicman I totally agree that a toy project needs to be equal difficulty and complexity as a real world ticket. When I say toy i just mean "something not commercially useful to us" not to imply it is less complex. In fact a toy project would likely be more complex since it would be a greenfield thing rather than contributing to something that already exists.

@realcaseyrollins

Yea gay marriage is the only thing that specifically seems to be an anti-pattern. There is no doubt some weird shifts in overall ideology ont he spectrum, but i dont think its as simple as going conservative.. There seems to be more of a boost in hate, on both sides, that has shifted ideology towards being more hateful. That has caused both sides to shift what they do in many ways as neither was really about hate in the past.

@NBC

@realcaseyrollins

How is that a see-saw? Seems same-sex marriage has been across the board seen more acceptance and I havent seen this backtrack much.

@NBC

@realcaseyrollins

The first link is literally about a small minority passing a **proposed** bill through a rather minor part of the govt process. There is no indication it has majority support or any hope to pass.

The second link is 4 years old, and since then same-sex marriage has gotten partial recognition (same-sex marriages conducted outside the country are recognized and honored), so it has literally moved towards accepting same-sex marriage in both cases not against.

I highly advise against using the news to inform you, fact check this stuff.

@NBC

@freemo First off, a caveat. my role is VERY strange. My title is Enterprise Architect, and I have seen my fair share of code, but I have *never* had a purely programming position, so I might not understand how hiring works.

In any case, my thought...

this seems very fair, but wonder if u might just send everyone the bounty route. If they don't have at least passing familiarity with the codebase, how likely are they to get the job? The toy project seems like it might give a false sense of hope

@musicman

Originally this was my thought as well. The reason i like offering a toy project route is because I dont want a under-paid force labour exploitation happening. Basically where I get people to do real world problems for very low pay (bounties are meant to be bonuses not fair pay). WE could (not that we would) literally just have interviewees fix our problems at slave-wages if we forced them to do real work for bounties.

I feel like offering the option is nice, but can have the opposite of the intended effect when its required.

@RickiTarr By "fucking around like this" do we mean the fact that we (the left) are toxic to even our own people and even the slightest hint of nuance is enough to attack them, ultimately pushing more and more support over to the conservative side?

If so, then I agree, we cant afford to fuck around like this.

Me and the other directors at my new company have been toying with a new idea, paying people for the work they do on interviews (well sorta).

Basically the idea we are toying with is when we give a programming test as part of the interview we basically offer them the choice of either doing a toy project that has no value to us as a company, or giving them the option to fix any outstanding tickets on one of our open-source projects with a bounty attached to it. This way if your programming test gets accepted you stand a good chance of getting the job AND get paid the bounty.

Programming tests never sat right with me because it seems like a huge time investment to ask of someone who might not get a job. So I wanted to make the process more fair and beneficial to applicants.

Would love to hear what thinks about this.
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