🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@cwebber

As the CTO at my own commercial company, and Chairman at my non-profit, I can say I know how this feels all too well.

Best of luck to you and your company though.

@KimPerales

Our worst enemies literally did though... You think this is Trump? Sure the first time he was just a bumbling fool. This time around, (and im not a conspiracy person) literally everything you see is Putin calling the shots.

@tzudad

I mean if we were expanding the list to including anyone who should be a political enemy I'd have to say it would be:

* Trump
* Vance - for assisting trump
* Musk - For assisting trump
* Biden - For being a raging racist who spent a career supporting segregation, for renewing patriot act
* Obama - For intentionally killing a 15 year old usa citizen without due process, for renewing patriot act
* Bush Jr - For starting partiot act, and torturing muslims

I'd be all for putting them all in a deep dark jail, maybe our country could heal.

@AJ_andrew69

"Don't be reckless with other people's hearts, don't put up with people who are reckless with yours" -- Baz Luhrman

Ooof

I'm pretty sure a snake is just a dog without the middle part.

@AJ_andrew69 Now that we are deporting people to El Salvador Im all for making Trump the first and last citizen to be sent there.

@wjmaggos all that does is push the problem to the federation level than the server level. When you have 100,000 small servers how do I vet them to determine which ones are legit and which ones arent? You either need to vet them youselves defeating the purpose, or you need to rely on some central authority creating block lists, also defeating the purpose.

@wjmaggos

Censoring is peripherally a problem, but its more a symptom of the way the fedi is so easily manipulated by just a few players who arent even neccesarly popular (since one person can control 1000 accounts without any real effort).

But sadly the problem seems to be worse just you hear about it less becauseso many people are censored you just wont hear it.

I actually wrote a white paper ill be presenting (hopefully) at AGI-25 on this topic (ethics in AI and I touch on the social media problem). I even started a whole non-profit that is quickly gaining speed to help address it. I tried doing this in a fedicentric way but the toxicity was too much, so this time I'm attacking it from an AI/AGI centric way instead.

I can share the first of the two papers (the second has the concrete solutions).

@wjmaggos I may have misunderstoof what "the townsquare" is. I thought this was a reference to the town square forums we hold during elections. Is it some software im unaware of?

By the way I think i am very sympathetic to the point of the message, now that I understand it. Though I do have issue with the wording as I think it can divert from the real problem. Like you are 100% right there is an issue with the conversation being manipulated on facebook and other places but the algorithm is only a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the bots engineered to manipulate people and make the public seem to have one opinion when it has another. Unfortunately the fediverse is **more** of a target for this not less and as such the problem is very much rampant, if not worse, on the fedi because the issue isnt the algorithm that prioritizes your feed (it can be part of it) but rather the masses of people that arent people, or the few people who are manipulating the narrative.

We had this exact problem on QOTO, a recognized and self proclaimed Nazi literally said they were going to manipulate the narrative against us by creating fake accounts and despite stating it in the open and even catching some of those accounts it still manipulated Eugene against us because of "optics" and caused retaliation... because of a recognized and known Nazi's manipulation of an open-system.

Sadly the problem is VERY much worse on the fedi.

@ChrisMayLA6

How has this data been normalized to address confounding influences (the major fault in most wage cap comparisons)?

@wjmaggos

Im so confused what do townsquars have to do with algorithms and why wouldnt someone want an algorithm associated with a town square... such a random and weird statement, I cant even grok what it means.

@relentless_eduardo

indoctrination is just a loaded word that totally obfuscates what is happening.. What you mean is university professors are respected by their students because they have demonstrated a behavior that is worthy of their respects that apparently the people at home done exhibit, thus making their students respect them and thus their opinions adopted... All "indoctrination" is is someone adopting someone elses ideals and opinions out of a desire to be int he same circle as the professor (academics).

So yes its real, but again to the original point, it is a reflection of the people at home not being worthy role models that anyone seeks an external group with which to respect and fit into.

As long as you call it indoctrination rather than seeing it for what it actually is your going to miss the whole point of whats happened.

@realcaseyrollins

Totally agree, that is a huge problem. But its important to note it only works when those bots are imitating people of a group you wish to belong to. So it still depends on the underlying point, there must be a problem with your existing community to want to be part of some other community to begin with. So just bots that are part of the populace doesnt matter unless those bots pretend to be part of the community you feel strongly you want to be accepted into.

@lnxw37b2