🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@ster @arteteco Ok but I too thought your stance was that guns should be legally restricted. Are you saying you don't feel that guns should have laws restricting their ownership or use?

@ster Oh nice, yea I have that. I dont use it too much though.

@zinat Always happy to help a struggling dev. I own several open source projects, I know how it feels.

@ster What client are you using?

@arteteco @ster @lerk@comm.network @iamduck Well said, agreed!

@ster @lerk@comm.network @iamduck I agree heroin can destroy your life, and no one should do it under any circumstances. However that fact, to me, is not a valid argument for making something illegal.

My body, my choice. I can be as idiotic as I want and stick whatever I want in it.

@ster @arteteco @lerk@comm.network @iamduck I noticed the ordering of your tags suggest the primary recipient. I like that. I'll keep it in mind for the future.

@ster @arteteco @lerk@comm.network @iamduck Understood. I was tagged in it so I responded. I usually dont if im not tagged.

@lerk@comm.network @ster @iamduck I'm glad we agree on something. some hope for a common ground maybe.

@ster @lerk@comm.network @iamduck Yes I feel all drugs should be legal and without a prescription. I think the billions of dollars we save (and make through) taxes on doing so should 100% be invested into drug rehab and rehabilitation programs instead.

@zinat Will do, i should have time this weekend.

@ster @arteteco @lerk@comm.network @iamduck Sure, I agree with those definitions. I am confused however on what part you think I misunderstood?

@lerk@comm.network @ster @iamduck Thats ok, you've been on mute (though i allow notifications) since your first tempertantrum and childish remark. I of course continue to hold out hope you will engage maturely and I will be able to unmute you. But not looking good right now.

You're kinda right on that border where I do hold hope you can maturely engage people because your not too bad. So I'll keep up high hopes for you and continue to give you a chance.

@arteteco @ster @lerk@comm.network @iamduck Its illegal in many countries in some sense.

@ster @lerk@comm.network @iamduck I'm not sure that it is morally justifiable to forcably tell someone what they can do with their own body, even if they may be thankful for it later.

As an anology, I'd imagine if you made abortions illegal and adoptions illegal and you forced mothers to give birth and raise a child I suspect the vast majority of mothers considering abortion would be very thankful (as they would have fallen in love with their child eventually in most cases). Despite this fact I dont think it is justification to make abortion illegal under the same reasoning as I dont think suicide should be illegal.

@Otuk@mastodon.technology But if we want to talk about statistics (Which is actually what my degree and profession are all about) then sure we can, and should, look at all countries fairly.

But we have to get rather technical if we want to start doing that. you'd have to compare relative changes in homicide (NEVER absolute values) post-gun ban vs pre. You'd apply a granger causality test to it to test if the changes show strong likely hood of causality (rather than just correlation) and then make the case off that.

Generally the vast majority of nations that enacted restrictions on guns show a pattern very similar to the one in the chart shared. I can only think of a few countries with anomalies that dont follow that pattern. But even then while homicide may not spike upwards it usually still stays level with no positive effect or a very small positive effect, with the vast majority of charts all showing overwhelmingly undesirable trends.

@Otuk@mastodon.technology I live in the netherlands right now, but I have a house in america too (where i do one one gun). I never "felt the need to walk around with one". I have one in the one in a million chance it is needed but I expect the chance of me needing it to be very small.

I, like the vast majority of gun owners, own it to go shooting as a sport in a safe environment. Others use it to hunt. Protection is usually a secondary or tertiary concern for most owners.

@Otuk@mastodon.technology We call that moving the goal post. **I** wasnt the one who touted UK as some wonderful example of gun law. Someone did, so i responded with a chart of homicide rates for the UK. I mean sure we can just keep picking different countries until one gives us a chart that lines up with your argument, but thats called cherry-picking data.

@lerk@comm.network @ster @iamduck No its not. It serves a functional purpose. Enjoyment, staying cool, saving money on AC, etc. Its not freedom for freedom sake.

@ster @iamduck @lerk@comm.network If you could actually make it so no guns ever existed in the world and never would again I might be inclined to agree with you. But unfortunately that is not usually the effect of making them illegal.