🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

Just going to leave this here so we dont forget about this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

@jasper The examples I listed earlier. I will reiterated.

I have personally witnessed the following abusive treatment fromt he left towards the right while in america (I have seen just as bad from the right mind you):

1) I witnessed leftists physically assault an old couple explicitly because the old man was wearing a MAGA hat.

2) I've seen leftists throwing explosives (fireworks) at trump supporters

3) I've seen people get physically violent on at least a dozen occasions for not showing support for leftist ideals (many of them did not support the right either).

Really countless examples I've witnessed.

The truth is you simply cant be a lefty or a righty in america without being abused by the opposite side both physically and verbally.

@Liberty4Masses Ahhh makes sense,

@Liberty4Masses Wait if they blocked you how do you know what they said? Serious question.

With that said, you have every right to block whoever you want. let them stew in it!

@jasper It says that they are extremists who are responding to abusive treatment by other extremists by behaving even more extremist than they were before. The left also responded by doing the same.

As I said, next democrat president will be even more extreme than trump, the cycle just continues.

@jasper I should also point out that while Obama did have good intentions he entierly screwed up healthcare in america, though it was mostly out of incompetance.

I was living in America at the time and thankfully had great affordable healthcare before the ACA. Afterwards however aside from just prices skyrocketing it changed the whole way doctors did medicine. Ultimately care took a nose dive which is why I came back to live in the NEtherlands when I did, to get sane healthcare again.

So just saying ACA isnt the best example even if you like socialized healthcare.

@jasper Well depends ont he violence. There is left and right violence (thus why both are extremists)...

Right violence: school shootings, police brutality, sure

left violence: beating up old couples wearing manga hats, throwing explosives at trump supports, physically vandalizing equipment at talks and debates

All the examples above from both sides are things I've personally been witness to In the USA, many you can even find on youtube.

Yup no shortage of violence from the left, just as there is no shortage of violence from the right.

@jasper Never once said the left and the right were the same. Left and Right ideals are very different aroudn the world and the both ideals have some merrit depending on what we happen to be talking about. But no they arent the same and in many things the left got stuff correct.

What I **did** say is that the american-left and the american-right are both extremists. Not extremists in how far left or how far right they go. Extremists int heir call to violence and hyperbole in everything they do. Their dogmatic stance when dealing with issues rather than being mature and making progress.

@jasper No any implication you read was your own assumptions overwhelming your rationality.

While I did claim the leftists in America (the populus) was as bad as the right, and they are. I said absolutely NOTHING about where Obama fell on the level of extremism compared to Trump until my last quote.

But here is what odd, instead of assuming what I said and then throw a fit when I tell you **explicitly** what I believe as if somehow I'm lying to you about what i believe when I tell you directly but then go and give you some mysterious hints about what I truly believe... how about when I tell you I think Obama isnt as much of an extremist as Trump you accept that reality.

Stop trying to start drama and tell people what they think and step back and have a **mature** conversation instead.

@jasper Again have you ever spent any extended time in america? I have, and I've seen some pretty horrific violence from the left at protests on multiple occasions too. I've seen how they behave first hand.

Dont get me wrong I've seen disgusting stuff out of the right too, just as bad without a doubt. But to spend any time around Americans it becomes clear very quickly that the left got Trump because they deserve him as much as the right does.

@jasper Ohhh cursing now, keep it mature man.

I never claimed Obama was **as** bad as trump. He wasnt. While he was pretty horrific, and a clear example of extremism (as i pointed out examples of earlier), he isnt as bad as trump. But I'm sure whoever the democrats elect next will be.

Thats how it goes, every election the other side gets more radical and more extreme. Trump is more extremist than Obama, and the democrat ticket next go will be more extremist than Trump. Just how the cycle goes.

But I dunno, murdering a US citizen without a warrant, due process, or even the opportunity at a trial, and then repeating that.. thats pretty damn high on the list of atrocities, not something I'd call a fender bender. So he was an extremist despite what trump may be.

@jasper Ok... So you've made three posts now where you continue to agree with me (that Trump is an extremist)... yet the one point you made that you disagreed on you've done nothing to address in any way.

Yes trump is an extremist, just like the left is in america, and the right in america. That was the point of the original post.

It is curious though that your spending all this time reiterating the points I agree on, obviously, rather than doing anything to address the point we disagree on. But I guess thats better than I'm used to seeing.

@jasper Ok, well since we already agreed some time ago that trump is also an extremist, and since we agree with all those points, not sure the relevance.

I'm not sure why you think arguing about Trump being an extremist, on which we agree, somehow acts as evidence that the american-left isnt extremist. Thats not how it works, thats not how any of this works.

@robotcarsley
Not all, would depend on the rich person. Plenty of counter examples to that.

But generally it is to be expected. The rich are hte ones loaning the money. If all my friends borrowed money from me and didnt pay back, then they all got together and told me that they wanted to wipe all debt in our friend group clean, obviously I would probably be the only one complaining as the person with the most money in my friend group.

I mean after all if i let you borrow my money for a little bit and then you refuse to give it back to me or even admit you owe it to me, well im likely to not like that.

@taweret

@robotcarsley
The reasons I personally dont support many universal programs goes way beyond effiency. But I do agree its kinda obvious that if you stop trying to figure out who should get what then you would save a lot of time from that effort.

@taweret

@jasper By the way have you ever actually spent any time in America. They are FAR more extreme than dutch liberals in terms of violence, lack of tolerance, acceptance of injustice within their own party, etc. I live int he netherlands as I assume you do, and we arent even APPROACHING the level of extremism you see from the left or the right in america.

@jasper Wait I dont? What did I say to you to suggest I dont think trump is a representation of extremism. My whole post was based on that.

But yea apparently we do disagree about the left in america then. I dunno, last president they had started killing off US citizens without due process, did nothing to stop the CIA spying on its own citizens and continued to perpetuate wars around the glob. Trump may be just as bad, but pretty hard to deny the extremism from either side in America.

@static I'd like to see a divorce lawyer handle this!

@taweret for rich people too?

@Gargron By the way ML is my area of expertise. I spent a lot of time developing spam filters. Please let me know if I can be of any help to you.