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@SecondJon The only group that matters, Humans.

@jack

If we use the opinions of licensed therapists to sway us. Then why THIS licensed therapist you linked? Why not one fromt he vast majority who are more educated (not just licensed therapy but actual psychologists who need much more training)? Seems like a overly cherry picked source with minimal credentials...

@alysonsee @clacke @louis @sim

@StreetsOfSpokane

I agree it is overly simplistic

I never actually claimed, as you suggest that Obama was overall less moral than trump.

What I did say is that if we measure the worst thing both of these people did Obama's act is morally worse than than the worst that trump has done.

This is not the same as saying Trump is morally superior. Trump is a constant stream of inappropriate behavior. These have negative actions and while each of them doesnt live up to Obama's worst, cummulatively we might be able to argue that Trump's immorality surpassed that of Obamas. It is a hard argument to make but I agree from certain perspectives that could be true.

The issue, however, remains. When we look at the worst from Trump and the worst from Obama, Trumps worst moment wasn't as bad as Obamas.

There are also a few things to consider. As with everything in america media, whether it was the absurdity of Obama's citizenship, or the holding centers for immigrants, everything is greatly exaggerated and lied about.

I totally understand why it would feel wrong to detain children for the criminal acts of their parents. I even understand why we may want to change the laws to ensure those acts arent even considered illegal. But despite this most of the claims to horrible living conditions and the such are gross over exaggerations that arent really true on the whole.

So for the same reason i dont hold the non-sense thrown at Obama against him or take it literally I also try to see the attacks on Trump through an objective lens. Yea he is still a dick, but its not nearly as bad as people keep over exaggerating it to be.

Americans just have a tendency to exaggerate and lie, most of all in politics.

@Hikus

@Hikus AS much as i hate trump and do find him very obnoxious to hear him talk. The truth is So far in his presidency he hasn't come close to doing anything quite as immoral as what Obama did by murdering US citizens without due process or a trial.

So I may not like trump, but if i am being honest with myself and objective, Obama wasnt any better.

Then again Bush also approved torture. So even among republicans he isnt quite so bad in terms of "the worst" he has done.

More info: https://www.biography.com/news/mister-rogers-officer-clemmons-pool

Still love this man. He was a saint. No one could preach racial diversity without coming across across accusative or judgemental quite like this guy could.

Everyone: Obama's presidency was drama free.

Me: He literally murdered US citizens without trial or due process. It was kinda a big deal

@mngrif Ahh yes fully aquatic plants absolutely need injected co2 in the light phase, I see why you said that now. terrestrial plants are different sorta.

With all plants (or anything in general) if it produces energy from light then it consumes CO2 to do it (as you know) and if it consumes its energy (sugar) instead of light then it consumes O2. so during the light phase it consumes CO2 and dark phase O2.

But thats an oversimplification. In reality the sections of a plant that produce the sugars (any part that is green) will consume CO2 when light is present. But since the roots 24/7 consume sugar and do not produce their own energy all roots of all plants need O2 and not CO2.

Since an aquatic plant has its whole system underwater whent he light is on it needs more CO2 overall than O2, when the lights are off it needs O2 only. But since terrestrial plants have their leaves out of water and the roots in water they would 24/7 need oxygen only injected into the water. The need for the CO2 int he green leafy parts would obviously come from the air.

So at least in that sense they may be a bit easier to care for than traditional aquatic plants.

@mngrif BTW i assume you meant O2 starved. Plants roots consume O2 not CO2, only the leaves consume CO2 mostly, though even the leaves switch to O2 when lighters are off.

@mngrif Ive done a lot of pure hydro but there will be some unique difficulties with fish. To increase root O2 for plants just add a little hydrogen peroxide. But actually degassing the CO2 in the water itself, i dunno. I was under the impression an air pump will usually inject O2 and since this competes with CO2 in terms of dissolving it, it should cause the co2 to more readily leave the water.

Similar to how in the lungs similar mechanisms work.

Rgardless if it just comes down to surface area I would think that could be solved easily enough with some creativity. A waterfall or neblulizer of some kind running constantly would effectively increase surface area.

@mngrif My dream, assuming i waste infinite resources, would be to have a tank some 4 - 5 feet tall and just as wide. Ideally all transparent but thats asking for a lot. I would then have some sort of fish in the water, hydroponic plants with root systems going into the tank with the fish, and an extremely agressive ant colony as a small island in the middle, with interconnecting transparent displays fo rthem as well (under water but water tight.

Assuming I get a species of ant that cant traverse water very easily the water should act as a natural barrier for the ants. If they are aggressive and i have semi-aquatic creatures as well i might get the ants to occasionally eat them. Ideally creating a somewhat self sustaining eco system.

Right now its little more than a pipe dream. But that would be my ideal mega-project.

@mngrif yea im considering a lot of options. Sadly anything completely transparent is pricey. But im thinking of alternatives like epoxy resin walls.

Interesting fact of the day: If you make 15 US dollars per hour or more, and work full time, you are statistically in the top 1% elite in terms of earning power.

@mngrif I've been trying to come up with a way to make an affordable ultra large aquarium...

@amic Best of luck! Sounds like a shitty situation :(

@sim

Sadly I find that is a fairly universal problem with all single-payer healthcare. You get severly underpaid healthcare workers who need to diagnose you in 10 minutes and are paid so low no one wants to enter the industry either.

Dont get me wrong I'm not arguing for a purely free-market healthcare system either. I have a pretty solid solution IMO that is neither of these.

@alysonsee @clacke @louis

@sim

I beleive you. I have had some pretty horrific expiernce in American hospitals (not so much mental health but id imagine they can be pretty shitty too).

But i maintain my point, the issue you had was shitty doctors, not so much the whole principle of mental health, treatment and medication, just the more specific case of how it applied to you.

I'd also agree that we should strive to make sure that doesnt happen. We need to make sure we have well trained, high quality psychiatrists. That is so critical.

@alysonsee @clacke @louis

While I stand by the point that medication and therapy when done right and with the proper care are overall more beneficial than harmful I did want to share this image just for the lols and to lighten the mood a little.

this is basically how you guys see pharmacists :)

@sim @alysonsee @clacke @louis

@clacke

Ok so read the article.. Here is my take.

1) In this case I'd imagine that the article is likely somewhat accurate just because it sounds plausible.

2) the article on cites a single reliable source, and that link didn't work. so I cant confirm the data myself. Though again If i had to guess i wouldn't be surprised if the article is still true.

3) vice is certainly as discredited a source as the other one presented earlier. They are known to have a fairly extreme left leaning political agenda. Objectivity is not their goal, promoting a left-agenda is. I am not saying the left is bad or anything, only that this is no more an objective source than the other links.

So in short, I dont disagree with your general argument, though still lack the data to confirm. But the link itself is not a credible source to make your case regardless.

@alysonsee @louis