🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@selea
We can rule out milder as the viral load would be lower for milder infections given the same strain. That said, again, future data may refine our understanding, but for now the evidence is suggestive it doesnt reduce the infection at all.
@phoenix

@zpartacoos
This is what happens when you let brits cook. First their frying up blood, next they are bastardizing bacon.
@skells

@selea
Depends on the study. We arent talking about a single isolated study here but a pattern of evidence across several studies.

The only way to directly test for the number of infections prevented would be to intentionally expose people to the virus and see how they respond. Anything in the wild would have to be tested for indirectly and then we are back at the initial problem of post hoc proctor hoc for i direct inference.

The point is you can ask all sorts of questions we cant assert any answer about with any confidence. All we know is what direct evidence we have suggests yhe vaccine has no benefit against delta.

As i said before despite the fact that vaccine probably has no benefit of any kind id still advice people take it because it poses no risk and there is uncertainty about if it might help in some small way, so why not take it even if there is only a small chance it might help?

@phoenix

@djatropine444 I dunno, I dont think too many people bought his shit other than Trump supporters. Everyone else was so triggered they didnt just believe the legit shitty stuff about him (and there was plenty) but they made up 3x more shit than was real.

The thing about Trump is he made both his supports, and his enemies act like complete fools IMO.

@phoenix

Several of the studies tested at different times after infection, all that is covered. This is just the average.

Keep in mind to have the same average but shorter duration would have to mean that somehow getting vaccinated **increased** your viral load over a shorter period. Which of course makes no sense. But yea the studies cover all that.

@selea

@skells

Hahaha, this is true :)

@zpartacoos

@skells

I was in a elevator once backed shoulder to shoulder with brits (in england near whales). There was one kid.

I said loud so everyone can hear "I hope no one needs to fart". Every single brit looked like I just committed a mass murder in that elevator. The only person laughing was me and the kid.

This right here is why everyone hates the brits :)

@zpartacoos

@bluejay About as many people as those who voted for Trump realize he was the worst at the time... which is to say, not many.

@phoenix
Who said it was a single measurement? The image i showed has mean and variance from a sample, this thr result of many tests. A single test would have never passed peer review
@selea

@phoenix huh? I just explained why incidence rate is subject to post hoc ergo procter hoc where viral load is not. The incidence rate is trivially explained by other mechanisms where the viral load ia not.

We cant just cherry pick the data we want to because it fits our earlier assumptions. As a scientist i have an obligation to yield to the science no matter where it leads

And yes you need to read any one of the many studies that came out supporting the above data and conclusion. You shouldnt be going off just whats in this post, this post is simply a summary of where the science is right now.

@selea

@xarvos

Again, hard to say anything with certainty. But the viral load would suggest not. There is no reason to think that you could have the same viral load and somehow reduce tranmission.

@phoenix

@phoenix

yea problem with that data is the post hoc procter hoc fallacy which can be a big concern on indirect data like that. For example once could explain the data by saying more unvaccinated people are careless about the virus since they dont think its deadly (thus why they arent vaccinated) and thus are a much higher incident simply because they social distance less and arent as mindful.

Thats why newer direct evidence tests, like measuring viral load directly, is far more telling.

@selea

@selea

The data on anything related to COVID is too new to ever make any real absolute assertions. But yea recent data suggests the patterns we thought we saw suggesting limited protection were post hoc procter hoc and in fact the viral load of people who are vaccinated is exactly the same with delta as unavaccinated.

@phoenix

@phoenix ugh.. I mean i dont think the vaccines are needed with delta pretty much making them useless. But since they post virtually 0 risk I see no reason not to, just in case the latest data is wrong.

The Netherlands sounds like it is a minecraft level or something.

@zpartacoos The british? You mean that American colony over near Europe? Are they still even alive since we cut them off?

@isolategab

I had some culture jam on my bagel this morning. I didnt like it, it was too bitter.

@TechyTommy@mstdn.social

@phoenix Whats a COVIDIOT? Someone who things COVID is a hoax and goes around telling everyone its a psyop or some shit?

I dunno who needs to hear this, but canadian bacon is **not** bacon, its ham.