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@joeinwynnewood LOL well it helps when you respect peoples boundaries and if someone says they dont want to engage, you dont.

Just having basic level of respect for peoples boundaries goes a long way when it comes to popularity. As you said, its certainly not my "performance" because I dont do much of that.

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@medley56

Good point, put those little things where you have to pay 25 cents to use the toilets!

@Teri_Kanefield

@Teri_Kanefield So you are arguing kids should have to pay to use toilet papers in public schools... interesting proposal :)

@Ambulocetus

Apology for what exactly?

@xdydx

We have had an electorial college for the history of the USA and yet we have had third-parties take over as majority parties 8 times in history (7 times where the change was long lasting). So clearly we have historic examples to show this is false.

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@beccanalia

sleep well.

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@beccanalia

> Wrong. Your vote IN ADDITION to millions of other votes MATTER.

IU never said your vote doesnt **matter**... i said your vote wont cause any different outcome to occur if you vote priumary party, but CAN have a positive impact if you vote third party... What "matters" is a philosophical thing, I care about action and effects. The effect of my action of voting red or blue is that it effects no change of any kind, whatever decision I make the outcome is the same. In contrast the effect of my action of voting third party is a positive effect (as I descrived in my lead in) regardless of who wins the actual election or if i effect it.

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@godofbiscuits @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews > First off, 80 years is more like FOUR generations.

True usually when people talk about generations they talk about the time to average child bearing age, not the length of time of a lifetime. What I meant here was a single persons lifespan.

> Second, the last non Democratic, non Republican President was Millard Fillmore

To be clear here I didnt actually answer your question, because I misread it as being applicable to my claim.

I claimed the majority party changed 8 times and the last time was 80 years. That is **not** the same as saying a non-majority party won all those 8 times. Some of those 8 cases represent presidential wins, some of them simply represented a new majority party pushing out an old, but not corresponding with a presidential win during that year (and by some future point when the new party does win has now been established as a majority party so wouldnt count by your criteria).

Specifically in the case of 80 years ago, we are talking about a third-party becoming one of the two majority parties, but not becoming the winning party,. 80 years ago was also the one time out of 8 that I had mentioned that the thuird party did not retain majority status after wards. In all other cases, 7 of them, the new majority party remained a majority party and I beleive in all cases eventually had a presidential candidate in office.

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@beccanalia @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews > She owns up to it and stands by that decision.

Exactly, which is why she is an absolute disgusting human being. If she actually apologized and recognized it and many of her decisions were wrong, if she showed an ounce of humility she might have stood a chance with me.

> However, she is STILL accepted by the LGBTQ community and is WELCOMED as a POTUS candidate.

The fact that an abusee praises their abuser isnt an argument that will hold much weight with me. Also speaking about the LGBT community as if its a monolithic thing with a single opinion is just not accurate. I certainly know some LGBT who support her, and an huge number who dont as well. Most who support her I find buy into the 2-party system myth rather than due to actually liking her (most of the time).

> Her history of LGBTQ support reaches back to 2004 -- earlier & more constant than Pres. Obama's at that time.

Her "support" is words, her actions shows very much the contrary.

> This is a good article about her history with the LGBTQ community and issues that concern them the most: https://19thnews.org/2020/08/kamala-harris-complicated-lgbtq-choice/

Does this aerticle contain only praising references or does it include a mix of both her good points and her mistakes? I dont mind reading an article but based on how you talk it sounds more like its going to be a propaganda piece and ill be wasting my time listening to someone tell me why I should be as bias as they are and find nothing wrong with her of any kind. If the report is honest and includes good and bad in an actually objective sense, then ill be happy to read.

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@beccanalia @godofbiscuits @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews > There is absolutely no value to a third party vote when US democracy hangs on the line and the margins of winning are so very narrow.

And yet, unless that vote comes down to a single vote, the choice of vote I make will have absolutely no change in the winner. So while a vote for a major party wont have any net positive good, a vote for a third party would, regardless of if they win (for the reasons I previously explained).

> For, indeed, Biden won some states in 2020 by mere thousands of votes. Every vote counts.

And yet even if i was one of those "mere thousands" of votes that Biden won his margin by... even then no matter who I voted for would not have changed if Biden won, thus produced no net good.

> As you're living in the Netherlands, you have no skin in the game re who wins the WH and re the perpetuation of US democracy.

No as I explained I live in the USA and the Netherlands, until recently also Israel. Right now I spend more time in the USA than the netherlands as this is where my company is.

> Have you read PROJECT 2025? It's a promise.

Yea, I am aware of the project, I know it was done without any input from Trump (supposidly) and Trump has denied any connection with it. That said I I would expect him to do things as bad or worse. Which is why its a good thing I am 1) voting against him and 2) ensuring my vote focuses on tearing down the 2 party system in the hope that once we accomplish that we will never see another person like Biden or Trump again.

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@katanova @godofbiscuits @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews > You left the united states, but you can't let it go. You've decided to spend your time trolling the people who are putting sincere care and effort into trying to build a better future

I have told you three times now I have not left the USA. I am literally sitting here right now, I have a home here, a business, and spend more than half the year here. I have not left.

If you want to make an "appeal" start by listening to what the other person actually said. No one will take you seriously when you repeat the same wrong things someone has told you three times and yet you keep repeating it because you want to win some argument that doesnt exist.

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@katanova

> So enjoy your fucking techbro money from a country with functional healthcare and social safety nets. Point and laugh at how foolish we are for not already being as enlightened as you.

Oh no, not at all. The healthcare here is far from functional. While it is broken just as deeply as in the USA it is broken in very different ways. I would not wish the european healthcare system on my worst enemy, it has already forced me to get one surgery I didnt need as a consequence of the abusive wait times (since the non-invasive treatment would take months to schedule).

> Something fairly consistent in my interactions with europeans on Masto is how arrogant they are when commentating on american politics.

Ahh I see your intent was a toxic discussion now filled with personal attacks... Your opinion on europeaners or anyone else just lost all value.

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@katanova

> Hey, dude, you left behind the united states to move to the netherlands.
>
> Good for you. I've heard it's really nice there.

Only partly true, I have a home in the USA, Netherlands, and until recently Israel.

> Not all of us are so fortunate to be able to leave all the deep structural problems behind and watch politics like it's a fucking spectator sport, because we fucking live here.

No argument from me that I am more privileged than most and will largely be more resistant to an abusive government than most as a result.

> We have to live with the consequences of this election, and you get to sit back, point and laugh whatever the outcome.

Incorrect, we both have to live with the consequences though, as I said, I still have a home there. I also do all of my business out of the USA (thats where my company is). So despite my privilege I am certainly effected still.

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