The 8 times I was talking about was specifically the presidential election. Moreover not only did a third party win, but in every case except for one the third party became the new majority party and the majority party that lost went out of existance. So 8 times.
The fact that it hasnt happened recently should tell you that it has nothing to do with FPTP (since we had that for our whole history and had 8 transitions) but rather something more recent to blame.
There are 40 countries that ellect with FPTP and I dont know of one of them that claims a two-party system. So that is a bit of a myth that is easily enough debunked.
The 2 majority parties have also been replaced by a new major party 8 times in the history of the USA. We even within the USA we know we arent locked in to two parties.
@randahl You built up a good follower base quickly. Came along way since you first joined when I met you. Congrats!
> First, how is voting for a fringe candidate who cannot win anything or accomplish anything any kind of compromise, let alone a good one?
Cause who wins or looses will in no way be effected by your vote. So your vote has no more value if you happened to pick the guy who won or the guy who lost, that outcome is the same regardless.
So since voting for the guy who happens to win accomplished absolutely nothing as well the question is how is voting for a third party candidate, presuming he looses, accomplishing something. Simple, your nudging the percentage points for third parties higher, and the percentage for primary parties lower. This in turn effects botht he calculated (projected) chance of a third party being a challenger int he future, and drives greater support to third parties (as they are harder to write off the higher their percentage points go).
So in short, while voting for a majority candidate absolutely does no good, even if it wins, voting third party **always** does good regardless of if they win.
> Second, explain to me exactly how Kamala Harris represents fascism.
In much the same way the republicans do. With violent exclusionary opposition to even mild criticism of their party. and the fantacism that goes along with that. Combine that with her general support of police and an unwillingness to fix (or even recognize in any meaningful way) the deep rooted issue with police in this country, and combine that with the genocide she supports in palestine the fascism meter is cranked all the way to 11.
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As I said, I have no interest in debating this assertion of yours. Take a hint.
You did a great job at proving one thing though, the toxicity of the democratic party to criticism is very much alive and well I see.
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> Last I checked we add up all the votes for each race.
>
> If you bothered to read the article you would know the 107k was across not one but three states, and they were not distributed evenly.
Thanks for the rude condescension.
So remind me In which of those states/countries would a single flip of a vote have changed the outcome? Oh right, none. Thus out of those 107K people not if you were any one of those people changing your vote would have not changed the outcome, full stop.
> You also ignore state and local races. I can find you several PA House races that were decided by under 60 votes in 2022.
Again as I said, it doesnt matter if it was decided by 2 votes, that still isnt even a **single** counter example. Because even if it comes down to 2 votes that are the deciding vote, even then my vote wont change the outcome, but voting third party **will** have a positive income.
> The margin of Democratic control is two seats.
All well and good but until there is a statistically significant chance of my vote being the determining vote, then my choice in a vote has absolutely no impact on the outcome. So your argument has failed every attempt to argue to the contrary,.
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Right, as I said I didnt really expect a fair or objective (unbiased) opinion on this half of the question. Like I said your opinion on this half isnt particular interest for me to debate as I dont expect it to get anywhere productive if you are that far gone (biased).
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Thats the kind of bias I expect. I didnt really expect you to get past this point, its soo subjective to have a chance.
If thats really how you feel im not even going to touch that one. It comes across as just too far gone to be able to reason with in terms of bias.
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> This is a flat out lie. Of the more than 120 million votes cast in the 2016 election, 107,000 votes in three states effectively decided the election.
You told me it was a lie, and then provided evidence of why I was correct. You're doing it wrong :)
So assuming you were part of that 107,000 that means if you voted one way the same person would have won with a 107,000 margin, if you voted the other way they would have won with a 106,999 margin. The outcome would have been exactly the same no matter how you voted if you were part of that 107K group. No matter how small the group is, as long as it is greater than 1 you changing your vote will not effect the vote of anyone else int he group, therefore the outcome is unchanged by your vote.
> It was less than 1/2 that in 2020.
You would have to find a case where it was 1/107000 that number to show even a single counter-example to my claim, so again, still proving me right.
> The same is true for dozens of Congressional races, hundreds of state office races and many thousands of local races across the country.
We are talking presidential election here. But sure, ill bite, even if we included congressional races you'd still have to show such a race coming down to a single vote, which you cant. Even if you could the odds of being that one person who decides a vote the one time in all of history it is likely to happen on a major election is still so astronomically high it is effectively 0 even if it did happen once somewhere.
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> First, how is voting for a fringe candidate who cannot win anything or accomplish anything any kind of compromise, let alone a good one?
Cause who wins or looses will in no way be effected by your vote. So your vote has no more value if you happened to pick the guy who won or the guy who lost, that outcome is the same regardless.
So since voting for the guy who happens to win accomplished absolutely nothing as well the question is how is voting for a third party candidate, presuming he looses, accomplishing something. Simple, your nudging the percentage points for third parties higher, and the percentage for primary parties lower. This in turn effects botht he calculated (projected) chance of a third party being a challenger int he future, and drives greater support to third parties (as they are harder to write off the higher their percentage points go).
So in short, while voting for a majority candidate absolutely does no good, even if it wins, voting third party **always** does good regardless of if they win.
> Second, explain to me exactly how Kamala Harris represents fascism.
In much the same way the republicans do. With violent exclusionary opposition to even mild criticism of their party. and the fantacism that goes along with that. Combine that with her general support of police and an unwillingness to fix (or even recognize in any meaningful way) the deep rooted issue with police in this country, and combine that with the genocide she supports in palestine the fascism meter is cranked all the way to 11.
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But underscore is never used as legitimate punctioation in english, where as a hypen is. So "brother-in-law count" can become "brother-in-law_count".. basically underscores are spaces, hyphens are used to represent hyphens.
I was going to address the finer points, but Im actually rather dumbfounded as you dont just sit there making stuff up just to win an argument, you tend to be better than that... Literally none of what you said is how it went down.. like at all.
> The issue that arose 14 months ago, which you are referring to, is the same one I'm referring to: near the end of the tournament she beat the Russian champion and then suddenly they decided that she was disqualified.
You keep insisting on fabricating a russian connection when there was none. At the 2023 championship she did not compete against a Russian, she competed against a chinese woman, Yang Liu . The competitior wasnt russian, the committee (IBA) isnt russian, and the location wasnt russa....
> nd then suddenly they decided that she was disqualified. Much later, someone who works for the Russian government claimed it was because she has a Y chromosome.
No the disqualification announcement wasnt "much later", the gender test, and disqualification took place during the actual competition and was announced sometime prior to march 26th (the earliest newspaper article I could find about it). The competition last day was march 26th and the article already specifically discussed her disqualification, the test, and the announcement as to why.
> Once again, there is no evidence, there is only a non-credible subsidiary of a dictatorship making a politically convenient claim after their athletes failed to make it to the semifinals of a championship.
Literally every claim you've made to discredit it by talking about russia has been directly contradictory to the reality.. you made many claims about russia (that it took place in russia, that the committee is russian and that she competed against a russian, none of which is true).
So I ask again can you actually show evidence it is tied to russia in some way, cause so far everything you've said has failed even basic fact checking...
We agree she is a woman, but man you are totally out in left-field ont he supporting facts.
> The Olympic committee already did their own qualification tests, along with the Algerian government, which does not allow any sort of transgender behavior, and has showed her birth certificate on which she is listed as female.
The olympic committee generally doesnt do DNA testing or other gender testing. So aside from a birth certificate they did not gender test. I personally applaud them for this, we shouldnt have gender classes or tests. But they certainly didnt do any testing of their own beyond just checking their stated gender.
> There's no evidence of this. It is a claim being tossed around by racists and misogynists who have a political motive with no source, nothing to point at other than "Doesn't look feminine enough for me". And even if there were, that doesn't mean she doesn't have 2 X chromosomes.
No, there is evidence.
Here is a news source that is from the UK so hopefully a bit more tolerant than a US news source (big hope I know):
"Imane Khelif failed a gender eligibility test due to the presence of certain chromosomes, the International Boxing Association (IBA) has said."
This has been confirmed by the IBA and the olympic committee as well. Here is a similar source:
The International Olympic Committee was warned in writing more than a year ago that Olympic women’s boxer Imane Khelif had the DNA of a “male”.
Mark Adams, spokesman for the IOC, confirmed the existence of the International Boxing Association (IBA) letter, leaked to the 3 Wire Sports website on Sunday.
It would seem its not just fear mongering, multiplke sources, including the IBA itself has all confirmed she failed a gender test 14 months prior due to having male DNA.
> She has done so for her entire adult life without anyone having an issue until she beat a Russian.
Strictly speaking the issue arose 14 months ago, May 2023 when she failed a sex DNA test and was barred from competing in India. The Olympic committee was notified **prior** to the loss.
> It does not. Even if she has a Y Chromosome, which again, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF, that doesn't mean it's expressing. In fact, the fact that she is physically female without medical intervention tells us it couldn't be, even if she had one.
I might tend to agree with you there, it **may** not matter if it isnt being expressed. But thats a hard thing to say.
> They do. She is a women's lightweight.
Right, im saying get rid of sex based classes all together and stick to **only** things like weight class.
> Imane Khelif is a cisgender woman: she was born and raised as a woman, and has competing for over 5 years as a woman.
Oh this is about that boxer... yea of course she is a woman, any claims to the contrary are idiotic. She was born and identified as a woman and has always identified as such. She is a woman.
> The Russian government claimed she failed some sort of secret "gender test" to have her disqualified after she beat their champion in a tournament last year, and now people are calling her a "man" after a recent 1st round knockout.
This is where it departs from the news I've heard. Had nothing to do with the russian government, wasnt a secrete test, but she was disqualified.
The test you are refering to was a non-secret chromosome test that was conducted at the 2023 world boxing championship in India. So not russia. The test was public at the time and disqualified two contestants including her.
I should point out that while the news reports it as a chromosome test the actual first-source info I could find only specifies the gender test is not a testosterone test. They do not however specify the specific reason they fail the test for obvious privacy reasons. That said it does seem reasonable the news is correct that it is a chromosome test.
> ...but she's not a "man", she's never been a "man", and no one thought of her as a "man" until she won against a Russian...
>
> She's a woman.
I totally agree she is a woman in every way that matters. That said it does appear she may be intersex, and perhaps only now is finding out about it. Is she still a woman, yes, of course. But if the news is to belevied she is a woman who happens to be intersexed (and probably never knew it), as in, she physically has the characteristics of a woman but has the DNA of a man. I would still call that a woman.
That said, should she be competing in woman's sports? I mean, I guess that would depend on why we have woman's sports. If the logic is that men have a physical advantage over women, then perhaps not, as that chromosome gives her that same advantage potentially.
On the other hand if the reason we seperate out sports by sex is for some other reason, like to avoid inappropriate touching or to give women better recognition by giving them their own space, then I'd say she should not be disqualified.
Me personally, I'd do away with woman's sports all together. Use weight classes or skill level to pair up similarly matched people, call it a day.
All good, no hard feelings like I said.
Dont confuse what I stand for, or how strongly I stand for it with what I stand for and impose on others.
I beleive very strongly that you should have **control** over your data. Not that it shouldnt be scrapped or that it should, but only that you should have the power to enable your data to be used how you please.
Any over arching statement about data I make as a default will impose my views about data on others. I only want to empower them.
My views mostly revolve around choice and empowerment but I go real strong into not having my views being forced on anyone else.
> If your main task is not improving people direction and more into the Tech or AI
I dont see these two as separate. You having access to powerful tools, if done right, should give you the means to improve yourself and others through better social interaction. The key here is empowerment rather than enforcing an ideology.
> Your past appreciation you also might forget so in general it's just a bunch of forgetfulness in total itself... like I haven't been grateful or should remain grateful for increasingly empty words I've had to push replies for (you could have updated us).
I dont need the appreciation so much... Its more about the tone and insistence on getting your way. Feel free to talk about it and im not suggesting you should stop. But remember this is a free service done as a hobby. This server was only ever opened to others out of generosity and no gain to me.
> It's not negative to say things you said months ago and even recently the searchable post would be done and frankly even free bad promises is also bad work like I said - nobody likes when the washing machine guy doesn't turn up again.
You stating facts werent really the issue, I quoted the part i mostly took issue with.
> Eat it and expect it from no power on my side or ability to align people out of what you demonstrate you clearly have or have not the time for sometimes.
If you managed to align the community to rally around a particular idea id be much more likely to adopt it. Generally I try to listen to anythign the community has consensus on.
> If you could help "pity the fool" who is data trapped here since Mastodon cleverly doesn't even have an import function or offline viewer of my data - somewhat great for these situations - so helping me export my data outbox,json to something human readable offline with pictures together means I'd quite happily "save" you all the money on me,.. and shows further you just don't get it and on some other mission.
If I wanted to save the money on you then I just wouldnt provide you the service. I wouldnt need to offer you something in exchange. I'm not obligated to keep footing the bill if I dont want to obviously. That said if I ever did decide such a thing I'd give plenty of notice. But still, this is kinda what I mean, your statement/tone here seems to suggest I have obligation to you like I owe you something. I dont, what I do I do out of a sense of consideration, not obligation.
@freeschool Stop demanding I speak for everyone to reflect your wishes.
Not everyone on our server wants our data to not be scrapped, some do, some dont. You want a "sign" about some default policy, put it on **your** profile. Also everyone gets the ability to select their web indexing setting, you can set it as private or not. Any robot that respects the standards will respect your setting, and robot that doesnt wont.
Putting up a sign does **nothing** to protect you, because bots do the scraping, not people. But even if it did many of us WANT to be scrapped so you have no right to dictate your privacy settings on a sign or statement reflecting everyone.
There are tools in place already for this, use it.
Feel free to talk about this all you want but what I dont like are 2 things
1) when you demand I give an idea attention when I say no its weeks if not months ofyou complaining and trying to generate hate campaigns against the decision or even attacking me as an admin.
2) now you've resorted to even putting words in my mouth like "Admin Freemo not big into improving people"
Ya know what I've never seen from you though... appreciation that I spend nearly 1K of my own money every months hosting services free for you to use. You've been ungrateful, demanding, and quite frankly rude time and time again and yet I'm still here letting you do you on this service, using my money to say negative shit about me, and even saying feel free to continue...
Frankly your attitude has been abysmal and it gets worse every day.
I agree 100% with your statements here.
Out of curiosity would you also say that calling Israel "Beligerent" and "Battle-minded" would also be equally bigoted? I myself side more with palestine than Israel in the grand scheme, but would find characterizing either group that way would be reductive at best.
Huh? Who claimed that CIS women arent women... I've literally never hard that claim.
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