All social media software needs to export AND also import one day? ...since people will want to move or even offline stuff...?...
@pre True, was written with the idea all software (somewhat) is the same here in that -> at least they need to export (and import one day?) and use the similar protocols too...
And maybe calckey does that but probably not from Mastodon (?)
Any calckey instance(s) you recommend?
I accept the public post can't be physically defended and is by definition public... so maybe more closed-but-open circle or baked-in way makes it a bit better idea for future but yes aside from humans as the weak point, I'm also not looking for Mastodon to say "it's your problem" or "we're not developing for that" (paraphrased) since it was them as main pioneers or the mainstream somewhat inside Alternative bubble that got people using them...
So appreciate reply... and yes know how to do the basics in Mastodon...
Never heard of Spritley Goblins or Veilid ! Feel free to say more why or I'll add to list to look into... Thanks
Software needs to load for even the most basic browser or PC to accommodate both old-skool and new-tech ways...
@undefined @darnell @badtux @notroot Hehe, I get a "failed to load" message on my old computer browser...
Low tech (about a decade old) might be good test of any software and if it is a simply-programmed thing or just more requirements based bells and whistles etc thing... Not saying it's totally bad but not loading for even basic browser or PC is a bit CRIMINAL! :)
Willing to accommodate by using a cut-down version would accommodate both old-skool and new way... at least load a login screen LOOOOL and main page to give access
else really it's really in danger of over-bloat... or not accommodating the previous gens...
@notroot @thestrangelet Nietzsched was mentioned and was wondering about him and well some info also below...
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (Noun)
- Influential German philosopher remembered for his concept of the superman and for his rejection of Christian values; considered, along with Kierkegaard, to be a founder of existentialism (1844-1900)
INSULTS + People swearing are distracting from their own points...
People swearing is fine, but making it too common in their grammar almost is promoting the post to hate speech (which is) more than logic of what they are saying...
It's distracting basically if every other word is jabbing at someone rather than attacking the point...
just saying you MOTHER-F- AND he said, she said F-them and their lame-assed XYZ ABCDEF etc insults etc
and yes not saying don't swear or be affected from the curses of the world as that is very human - just know what to promote IF possible with you bag of feelings.
THANK YOU.
Points of #Logic vs #Feelings
#Insults #Swearing #Abuse vs #Clarity
Does anyone know what happened to #calckey.art? I had my main instance there, but hadn't been on the fedi much for a few months...
@FediTips To the various Masto peeps herein decrying the meagre 500 [a claim i enthusiastically support btw; 500 is far too little]. Did you not notice all the info in the OP? If atm you're on a Masto instance with only the lousy 500, you DO have options... albeit they need some actual effort by you:
change to another Masto instance with more than 500 [there's many, eg, 3 i have are 3000, 10,000 & 11,000 respectfully... but there's many others too]
change from Masto to alternatives like #Friendica [from which i write this post], #Hubzilla [both having essentially no limit], or one of the #Misskey / #Calckey instances or forks [2000+, iirc].
TL;DR = if you don't like where you currently are, move, don't just moan.
@msdropbear42 Agree but small "but" here which can be also why people don't move and keep moaning, which is:
- people are stuck on instances and can't move their data or even backup posts to something human-readable (currently export is mostly a JSON file of text+URLS + DIR of pics in separate folder! On Mastodon at least)
So people also can't move posts or backup to something readable even if word limit is satisfied... but great to have your list of alternatives there thank you and boosted... if you can answer first part of this post it would help too for the many nuances of 'moaning' or troubles people have as I never though there wouldn't be a way to import (even silently) on Mastodon, just export only being given half a feature!!!!!... ![]()
Thanks! Great read and reality as a mini-adventure... wondering if you know a way to offline post in some format or container... or imagine you couldn't go online again... how would you store your posts (now I believe can import anything or CalcKey did once upon a time) so importing is a big problem but maybe RSS can help here to give it to something else...
A lot people stuck on instances and can't move or even backup post to something human-readable (currently export is mostly a JSON file of text+URLS + DIR of pics in separate folder!)
@pre Do you know of a way to move / import / copy posts from an instance to something more offline as a copy?
The attachment to online basically is what is wanted to be avoided and also being chained to Mastodon as software (if I've correctly got message they are not interested in defending frmo scraping data to things like Google search which has been happening for years now and I asked and got reply it's not up to them even though they are the 'alternative' I think we moved here to get away from our data / deep chats on Google)... and now with AI etc... but yeah maybe it's not up to them only but us to keep our data also...
I also wanted to ask if you know admins hell-bent of defending from text being scraped even f it's near-impossible, still the intention and will is needed otherwise just another Twitter eventually as they are invading my / your space and merging WITH US!
I plan to close down my #calckey / #firefish / #misskey fork instance and then replace it with new software on the same domain name.
I suspect however that this will break everything and fail to federate properly with the new instance unless the Misskey instance sends what may be known as a "tombstone" message to it's existing contacts so that they know it's disappearing.
Think the problem will be that the private-key associated with the server will change, and so messages signed from the new server will be rejected.
Anyone successfully closed down an instance then bought it back with new software on the same domain name?
Anyone know if it's possible to get Firefish to emit these tombstone messages?
Or maybe backup the private key to be used by the new instance I guess?
Seems like these things will be impossible once the old server is deleted.
@stefano Appreciate this post - thanks to all admins out there indeed....
And moving forward, some questions:
█ How to import posts (not possible currently) or more exactly make offline copy of posts? (say for example moving from shitty server or considering Mastodon is scraped totally by Google and Gargron/Eugene isn't interested in combatting it - which is fair but not as alternative as I / some of us would like and whole reason "we" moved here was to get away from Google!)
█ Any CalcKey admins out there (get in touch). This has import ability at some point I believe,..
"The For-Profit way" and Karma are closely linked!
Have to keep a check on your profit making karma (which I think you can do more responsibly with some of these things listed below) ... but needs to involve constantly involving others to do better and even make you better at the same time WITH THEM! (to achieve "community" or "family" feelings even if small group).
What helps us is listed below to avoid the financial-only games and playing things better ....
Also I don't want to sound like I always point to the gloom or bad things only... so do try these things:
🌱 = 🍆 - Do produce your own food and products more often to help keep busy and and let others do the same! A green- house serves MANY purposes (even to sleep in)
💼 🏃 - One person can work allowing other family/strangers to plant since I admit you can't feed on growing food only (takes years in gardening - I've tried) but getting better helps and killing time IS an Anti-Capitalistic move so as gardener this is also part of it and helps tap into community IF there is! Don't hold your breath but do fight to CREATE LIFE AND BETTER PEOPLE at the same time AS ANY 'WORK' because this is PEOPLE-IMPROVEMENT AND BETTER-HABITS **IS** THE "REAL WORK"!
🔨 You have to be a bit "Die-Hard like Bruce Willis" because you can't expect existing things to accommodate you or exist already ... without being a tyrant 'these things' are what 'we need to do'.
YOU MUST create / instigate / propagate it) which is the community making / fighting / growing patches and then linking arms. almost ironically "You must be the change" or single community as bacteria to grow more of the same...
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#Karma vs. #Debt #Banks #Work #Protest
= Slow #Suicide for #Rich #Elite #Government #Controllers
Protests are limited (although needed but limited)
Protests are limited in their use because even achieving the demands of protest to "STOP" (if I can rope them all together generally like that for a moment) means they would actually reduce what already-little there is now or stop services if we agree actually most of it is ***for massive profit only*** and bullshit financial schemes to pay themselves. Literally / Only for those reasons despite those under bosses thinking it's more than that.
So we need protest but something after also because bosses REALLY wouldn't do it without 50-100%+ profit on everything and increasing control too.
Protest reaches a point where you might realise YOU NEED something to transfer too else you cut the bad cancer (Governments themselves) AT THE SAME TIME.
You might need to rely on yourself to stop the possibility of this abuse... Though I'm not suggesting doing this - cutting all these things... or maybe I am...
Following them and "The For-Profit way" obviously is bad and even worse sometimes:
For-profit is as good as saying "raping people physically and mentally" in my world, for all their hours and terrible conditions more physically extracting from them.... but then at the same time the reduced service or killing off this cancer on us and rape means that everything that was "keeping people just-about alive" also goes away leaving people with just themselves... (which to be fair is nearly nothing or worse as people's attitudes currently are terrible once you strip the 'civilised' layers and people see it's brutally bad situation needing their own input in life and re-learn it all - soon everything goes back to primitive war-fare / petty stone-throwing mentality at each other and escalates...
So who else is going to supply you with fair service without big profit, without siphoning and devaluing others?...
You...?
Maybe...
How?
(perhaps cutting and doing it yourself is the only honourable way admitting you are not going to live for ever anyway AND avoiding paying bastards is best overall?)
Again,.. you need to have another way to take care of people and for example...
Hospitals are over-technology in my view in the first place and wasteful so maybe not best example because it's steroided / luxury help AND we also over-valued our life in bad exchange for planet preservation (all that tech and it's companies making bad tech elsewhere mining metals or factories elsewhere) so taking care of the sick, yes, either they will make hospitals for profit, literally stealing 50%-1000% or something higher just to give you poor service (and profit from raping the doctors and nurses energy who are getting less than nothing for hours they put in)
ORRRRRRRRR we have to admit to "taking care of ourselves and each other" in basic but more-sane ways financially (so #BigTech also isn't allowed to invade our lives while healing and 'treating' us...... badly.
Everyone is in debt-based economy which helps keep our / their attachment and even they defend them! So it's important to realise.
People do "shut up" about "system" and the overall "trap" they are in and what will be waiting for their new-borns because it "keeps them alive" and they are probably also going to be able to look at picture of cats in between working endlessly and at the hands of cruel / uncaring bosses at the very top pretending to create a service (for parasites)...
#Debt #Banks #Work #Protest
= Slow #Suicide for #Rich #Elite #Government #Controllers
I and People don't want to do something about Government and Banks if it's keeping them alive in some way...
It's a hard one because "Don't bite the hand the feeds you" is a valid argument and phrase (which people have told me)
But morally:
"No, if they are feeding kids from debt, then no it's wrong and can't be sustainable for future kids, expecting them to do the same but with even worse position / bigger stress").
People don't talk or do much because whatever bad it is - it is keeping them steadily alive somewhat (if it was a case of being in danger they would act against the system or traps).
That's why #protests are limited, they would reduce heavily what little there is so reaches a point where you NEED something to transfer too else cut the bad cancer (from Governments etc) but at the same time reduced service (of cancer) they were supplying you from siphoning and devaluing others... so unless you have another way to take care of people and the sick then yes they will make hospitals for profit, literally stealing 50% or something higher just to give you poor service / rape the doctors getting less than nothing for hours they put in.
Everyone is in debt-based economy which helps keep their attachment and even defend them!.
People shut up about "system" or overall "trap" waiting for to new-borns as it keeps them alive and able to look at picture of cats at least...
#Debt #Banks #Work #Protest
= Slow #Suicide for #Rich #Elite #Government #Controllers
The #War is largely financial, keeping people alive... ON DEBT!
Pushing a rock uphill is like the human effort - impossible to pay back debt [Money = (Money x Paying for it FIRST)]
If it would be possible to equalised debt all in this one moment (so only the more-real money existed) people instantly wouldn't have much money. It was all given based on banks not having it
(I think they can lend upto 10 times what they actually have if not more)
In fact maybe all money is fake so on that basis money IS debt, but even cutting back to debt that is more-legit and more manageable as debt would make more broke people overall or severely reduce people's position. This is what is 'letting' the world go round somewhat but putting other in more debt more than anything...
The #War is largely financial, keeping people alive... ON DEBT!
To make it clear: As a "2 worst case scenarios" basis, there is more of a glimmer of hope or chance from equalising debt (and resultant lack of money, the chaos, even starving) than people trying to pay off debt (as we speak banks are committing error by illogical / reckless lending).
Just puts into context how badly in debt we are and as negative numbers, cannot be positive as much as you would like to work it off or pay it...
Everyone gets lumped with debt continuously to deliberately keep people working.
#Debt #Banks #Work
= Slow #Suicide for #Rich #Elite #Government #Controllers
Everyone gets lumped with debt continuously by Government or banks to deliberately keep people working....
🎓 David Graeber = Professor, Anthropologist, Activist - RIP 2020
Book List and Interesting Titles:
📚 Debt: The First 5,000 Years (2011)
📚 Bullshit Jobs (2018)
📚 The Dawn of Everything (2021),
Everyone gets lumped with debt continuously by Government or banks to deliberately keep people working. ( My own #quote )
#Debt #Banks #Work
= Slow #Suicide for #Rich #Elite #Government #Controllers
@john @Leisureguy Hang on, which guy are we talking about :) - Not even mention of a book in bio (but respect privacy if this is not really wanted as this space is also scraped to google in the end which in MY hot topic for me right now)
but yeah feel free for either of you to point to the book you mean!
Intriguing ! 👨🍳
@Leisureguy Did you manage to move posts as currently I believe it's not possible (export is possible but import not).
I'm talking to a few to find a way but guessing you created another account and just continued that way?
#FreeSchool = #Notes #Quotes from #Books #Videos #Talks #Websites all around #DIY Care# and #Caring as our main #Politics / #Politics
#Degrowth / PostGrowth
#WellbeingEconomy #DoughnutEconomics
#CaringEconomy / #CareEconomy / #Partnerism
"Free School" is a term for a movement born from the 1960's / 70's using educational living & learning practice towards #Caring & #DIY with all others (all at the same time - not an after-thought or specialism in 1 field or person who is a #compartmentalised person ignoring others in other fields). Caring to involves more things, increasingly aiming towards everything...
Posts are 1-line #Notes and #Quotes that links all other things (it's all relative).
Long comments use CW to shorten post vertically and add a 'show more' button to reveal more text if you want it. Long posts might seem bad but it's giving chance to more connection and understanding.
All things towards #Freedom (life moving from Shorter to Deeper thought).
Freedom doesn't come from short-depth lifestyles / short lines of text / ignoring / #inaction. Not less communication between lovers of similar things. MORE!)
#FreeSchool = Learning Together 🔁
#FreeSchool = Working Together 🔁 (eventually + I do Free work for Freedom.
#FreeSchool = Co-Operating & #DIY Solutions 🔁
See My #FreeSchool (Hashtag) for latest examples anytime. Or keep open and refresh from time to time:
https://qoto.org/web/tags/freeschool
#FreeSchool ➡ Increment Talking + Peacefully solve everything.
TLDR - Inaction = Fascism
Trust comes from "slowly but surely"... Doesn't have to be all-in, but peace doesn't come from one-way short messaging on 'social' Mastodon either - collecting memes and cats only is limited!
Remember we need develop better humans as well as 'develop' code on computers etc.
☮ Peace needs more... even to save all types of cats!
Get in touch - I'm someone that cares for everything because it's all human-related...
Human #chats welcome - I using #Jitsi audio chat which uses JUST browser (ANY PLATFORM + 2minutes to enter !)
(i.e. no-install / no account / no google / instant / privacy-respecting / safe-enough, etc!) Really the best out there - any platform / device! Instant audio chat !
Just ask for a link and prepare a few topics!
#AltText used (when I remember).
FREE WORK - I do free audio and video editing (anything considered - just ask).
Again - Creating Trust needs a bit of trust given "slowly but surely"... not all-in... being relaxed about it... but has to be more - 'working' like a 2nd job towards peace because your job isn't going to do it / it's now allow by State to get there! War increases prices etc ☮
So do "peace" as a side-job like it was your real job in the world, parallel to the Capitalism (Trap) you (we) were born into. We have to accept that and fight out of that and not be comfortable in it.
Heart and Soul all the way.