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I like the list. I was tempted to comment but realised you do have a loop for readjustment Tip 1 would be to mention that "it's a constant loop" somewhere) but all good overall

https://qoto.org/@academicalnerd/107508818470858756

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So initially I wanted to add this and below could still have some value (Tip 2)
"Expect the unexpected along the way and mini/major effects" so that "other factors are expected and resources or processes in place to deal with them."
Reasoning? It's unlikely nothing new or unpredicted, or that new learning will not happen.

Thanks

Ok that's it thanks and season greetings.

@dsfgs @PaulaToThePeople @humanetech I the effort about the logo, Dick, so can't knock that.

(btw wouldn't let me message reply directly so anyway it's about this page:)

https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople/107351738477060666

Again some perspective / result with me are with 'pinch of salt' :

- Seems to say to me broken pieces - and after looking at Dick text matches his idea in accidentally wrong way 'Not fully connected' (like broken)- So unintended though similar spectrum of intention.
- features
---face not clear or worthy of being there in this side corner (will be most sizes quite hidden even in the massive version,
---- F not clear doesn't represent anything, pentostar ok but why, doesn't match or identify (for example if they were nodes it would make sense with some web-like likes)

Over doesn't say anything and is a child-like bit pale though with some actual meaningful shape could have better merit regardless of colour

Please write me if you feel like talking about it or finding something similar - from what I get it's to represent hashtag or partcipation. Either way happy to audio chat about it. Or write to encourage what you also think + /- just to keep it moving. Thanks

Hospitals are a good example as it shows almost everything is a front for more of the same template. What seems to help doesn't always - stealing from people at the end means 'what's the point' as the end result. I've mentioned this a few times to people inside 24/7 work.
Technically as a Capitalism's template it might be known as "structural violence" and "designed abuse" for emplyees... even in healing others!
Typically robbing people to provde people 'good' services they can lock people into being used badly! (and blocking them out too which might be good for us to realise we need to make something better)
Those who may have no idea how bad it is will see after this kind of logic in a picture... ifnot already in their own workplace.

@feadi this is message

I wrote a lot but not sure it sent - a list of good points to sift through ... but anyway in shortest summary - it's just business - the business of making wealth for top and being territorial - and for most others low priority if not related to helping that though I did write how it's possible to help ourselves and slowly work on it....

Not sure 'who' needs to hear it. But maybe these points mabye can help with the 'how'. No big reply expected, reach out by direct message if with a basic good or bad measurement or what you're looking from when tooting like this...

Some 'common challenges' I see with what you said are not just in privacy so I'll try not to get distracted or treat it as a template but probably it is answered / falls under the category of 'business' as the answer for the 'why'.

"a basic right" also caught my eye or what masses think a right is so there is a bit of mentality about that, from the average and opposition views. When it comes down to it, even nice people sort of decide otherwise by selecting higher priorities and not doing their 'other' things (this is why I write about the HOW below as I think that can bring Privacy etc more on the radar of people and increase measurable hopes for people to see/act/educate/anything more than nothing because the how is not there or not as measurable or obvious)

Ideally I would audio chat on this but just 'some' points to get us started. I'm happy to start and then jump in audio chat right after or Direct Message as 2nd preference! Open invitation I guess with direct message to start!

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SO... best point first - perhaps main point

- Those in position (above the average person) classically prioritise other things, for other reasons. So consciously or not they are busy
(even to reply to this can be easy to lose track of time / overwrite thoughts instead of just send it in one long text knowing your tried.)
Not saying everyone will be willing even in ideal conditions but really unclear or down the list smoetimes why/how/who/where... And people usually have a flaw where they don't do bottom of lists, just short-loop main top things leaving things to get worse (and therefore over time with for it to become higher priority / more desperate as time makes it worse/unkept/unmoderated). Not good as since many thing left meaning rot usually / not having practise.

- Possible solution - might be something easy / accessible for masses to see visually the injustices - 1 page as a timeline or list - to see the responsible people and then see the irresponsible trend 'live' as we develop other things and increase motivation to fix these trends (learning from history and even just yesterday what happened). A tool to monitor this might help see the problem as a chain / trend. Maybe there is a nice visual somewhere by you Aral (sorry didn't see if you have) and opportunity perhaps every month / year to pin-point how we're losing as a simply pic to stare at for a bit - to get an idea individually what to do about it after looking / bookmark it - even watch the horror but then be comfortable with it and then after finally some action when we decide - maybe it exists, anyone? Welcome to DM me to remind me / point).

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Rest is at your own risk :)
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- Privacy just seems not connected right now as processes of real-value (and / or reality).

- Most people know or have an idea but it's not a easy-practical object thing.

- Privacy is mostly theory until ugly things rear their head and 'show' itself and by that time it seems over. It's hidden stuff until they / we see what's happening so ideally we would 'see' what's happening without 'seeing' it's end result/damage lol.
(Easy to ignore when not seen right? Easy to ignore once it's done right?)

- One big picture with labels drawn by Stephanie McMillan. Does wonders for deciphering a lot. Team up like tag team wrestlers :)
https://stephaniemcmillan.org/

- Many don't have choice / are not paid in these realms / have to keep busy with family.

- Peace is not paid for. War pays / lack of privacy increases circulating different kinds 'economy' which loops back to getting paid ourselves to stay alive through something we half like while other half things step on privacy as business model.

- what to do for average user more than adding a browser add-on and plugin?
https://alternativeto.net/software/ublock-origin/
(how to be more progressive / help more than just browser software?)

- I personal want someone to hold my hand to get me started on the many reasons why / how / where / answer my own questions (on many things) however stupid they / I am (as well as continuing my own continual learning / teaching of others of course ... just someone to step in, clarify. say no yes but and even my paradoxes) - I think this is a genuine valid request to do a walkthrough as learners and more human touch (it's a warm chain as a response back to capitalism's own disconnected production chain) - is there someone reachable to audio chat? An above-average nice privacy-orientated person or expert?)

- From 'their' point of view some perceived typical statements are below;
" This stuff about 'basic human right' is nonsense ".... " Less privacy? Does it make business sense? "
If Privacy (or the opposites/less private stuff) is a tool and something known to work... Why not use those things? (I'm asking from their perspective and also in the readers mind if you're using Big Tech as your search engine or website Analytics - every tool helps right? Annoying to accept less of a quality / increase your time using what free deliberately doesn't offer)

- " Why reduce it's effectiveness and seal the leaks which sinks their ships!? " It's like asking people to have a less effective system, lower shields and even to put the baton down and talk about it! No way!

Obviously more happening than what is said but that's the basics perhaps is this common issue 'who to talk to' when "they don't care" - it's a hard one, being ignored makes people react instead of act sometimes - that could be answered for somehow... (I'll keep thinking about it and don't worry I can write as much as do practical things ....when I find it)

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More points for those with stamina....
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- To talk is to accept this kind of evenness / openness. Not in the game plan for most things as it's one-way and top-down. That's perhaps part of your saying "I don’t know who needs to hear this but…" as the 'invisible hand' is not listening. This also includes some of us out here perhaps needing to reassess our habits too and what we now realised is wrong / has become different / is not aligned. It's all-you-can-eat heaven out here. Download, download, advert, advert... wait click skip watch... listen to music. Instant on demand! Advert Advert energy drain + -.

- Many of this is probably the same domination / territorial templates to keep in the know / knowledge. How to bring people into more voluntary consciousness and be less afraid of each other / bring conversation into the picture more. Tough for some but being friends somehow seems to help as weak as that might sound.

- Privacy (for some maybe) it's just vocabulary or 'nice idea' but it's outside of the usual 'needed' stuff day-to-day (the physical more urgent short-loops designed for us also not everyone's fault completely).

- how to integrate what takes a sometimes a lifetime to learn or interweave? Making it more granular / incremental, less of a dip in energy requirements,

- For those inclined, having more ways to do business, more tools, even to make things worse, is good! Just makes sense. Those also attached to these vehicle who need / like to get paid / have to follow - for them it also means almost anything goes as it's connected / makes it more valid to do / follows even in the 'wrong' way. Just do nothing stay silent. And forever look for a way that isn't going to get you kicked out.

- What to do when people care a tiny bit but care about something MUCH more than rights (a long list could follow)... so I think it's about keeping something trickling and valid for people in the now even if it's down the list (to keep it going in whatever % of their life). That seems to help solve this, more than do or die, and not expect people put life on hold or Kamakazi into it suddenly / sharply one as if there wasn't other parts of life to tend to like more a garden than desperation. Could be worded better about making life less one sided / one dimensional.

- Takes a lifetime to learn / finding ways of integration into life

- Much is not spiritually induced (and not believed deep down) because it's too painful / grinding or not as responsive like a machine and more physically / food / shelter / territorially orientated by owners/landlords and tenants.

- At the same people are also allowing this and even basing human life on numbers (I spoke about this recently for those interested I'll give link).
Numbers and valuing people almost only in this way is another big root and basic thing that needs solving that connect to Privacy or non-privacy (perspectives of seeing people as subjects / possession / owned / non sovereign)

- Numbers can't ever justify or give full justice to people. Numbers discriminate. Misconception is that a numbers are pure and can't be used in a bad way (10 is 10 but also it's not saying / valuing many attributes of each individual and what they think / believe). Seems people can't see this, they can't value almost anything without numbers so the people are also discriminating which is necessary to clear if needing to value, then doing it other ways / all other ways as well to keep respect for ourselves and others.

- They / Those in position / Controllers use it as a tool / leverage. More data right? Less data? Naaa!.
(have to be strong / conscious to say no even for us using the internet - infinite-download or low speed usage ? Seek / scavenge so why not them? How does it not work when that's their natural work / business / hunting for things and ours is same kind of actions even if different fields and opposites? How to all stand down and talk about it without standing down and then being taken advantage of / dying out?

- The usual cross point for the average person it seems to come between feeling the need to use things (forced / encouraged by society, work, gov, parents etc directly or indirectly) or not using them...
(so not being part of the mainstream 'game' is tied to survival that are ultimately 'rewarded' / paid for.... or not... which increasing chances or not it's own circle jerk and 'easy of use'. Privacy gets in the way of that. It's a tough choice. It's like asking you to choose your friend more wisely frmo their choice of software - you could find yourself alone! To know your own politics as a manifesto and apply that to every action is also true and then align it with others is tough for many people which might say anything is better than alone / waiting to find the 1 or 2 aligned to then speak openly.

- People feel it also gives them for free, so privacy is a an accepted exchange (people give it away which makes me realise yes we are also your target audience and it can come to deleting account or not doing the all-you-can-eat from what we realise now is bad and abusing us). You wanna makes friends? Sign here. (Mastodon / Fediverse is a big step up - thanks all)

All this is provocation for more thought but I'd also like to say it's not intended to be endless deciphering what I mean or debate UNLESS you like to audio chat more personally over 1 or 2 chats - otherwise just take the best lines and move on. Do. Love. Give what you think people can do really specifically as 1 liners (if possible). I might take my own advice. Thanks for reading.

- The short version is up top and if you don't read again all this then the question is: What will allow those people controlling, from parents to 'royals' and elites to release their their grip or and advantage on what is 'their business' and territory, with privacy specifically, and then perhaps optionally involving the other things around it (including other business parts itself)

Chats welcome personally. Please DM now! My answer to life is to make it more personal and friendly as we can respect people more that way even those opposite us! Naturally more relaxed talk can open things and help to solve them if agreed.
That's why I intend to do less via text (can be a bit) so I can really 'hear' your points in audio chat (I wouldn't have written so much if I could have talked to you more personally or some other way).

Thanks

Wasn't in any particular order. Already took most of the day so happy to just send it. Feel free to use my time better! Open to your selfish offers.

Again might seem a bit selfish I don't want to read your stuff but really it's to chat more humanly are a more sensory and solid feel overall and saves not getting bogged in text and what we mean un-warmly- just to respect ourselves a bit more, take and move on, chat and clarify... a bit of text to set up points / can stay focussed - good for sure but not really human and good for real-world / less-text practices :)

Much Love. Not saying it's easy! Some granular step-by-step way might work if not directly Mother-Theresa 1-by-1 style. Growing minds and having ability for more interactions seem the way forward. Almost like it was a game full of wonderful characters full of plenty to exchange.

Hi!

Or bye for now.