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@freemo Yes morality. I picked that, let's call it case study, because it's the edge we are dealing right now when it comes to debates about war, death penalty, abortion, and suicide or the right to die on you own terms. I think maybe we have to adjust our moral by admitting that we do harm each other because everybody has good intentions. And feels free to to what he wants because he can argue.

I don't know of this leads us to something, but I would like to have a try.

@freemo So at the end, I think it's not possible to measure happiness at all. Because it means something else for everybody. But what we have, are different kind of needs. Like food, water, a roof over your head, someone to talk to, to be left alone when you need it. Maybe we have to get rid of the perspective of the right to be happy how everyone individually things it should be. But more like, does it hurt you when it is like that. I don't know.

@freemo I would say yes and no, it depends. You can't tell if a treatment is working out or not. There are studies, right, but under which circumstances were they been done?

@freemo You could consider not to devide but to agree that both sides are valid in point of perspective. So what could be else possible if you consider this. Like, there are choices who turn out fine and which that don't. So maybe it's just a matter of selection which arguments are be seen as valid. Nobody can tell the future how things turn out, you just act on experience with similar situations. Should a highly depressive individual be allowed to kill itself if there are so called treatments?

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@abundance This is awesome! I tried moss gardening a few years ago and failed because of the lack of knowledge and a severe sickness I had. But for a little time I could enjoy it though. Thanks for sharing. Maybe I start again someday.

Here is a long thread on keeping moss as a houseplant that I pulled off my twitter, wrapped up as a blog post - so now you can read about practical moss gardening without having to visit that website :>

ifyoulived.org/moss.html

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@pschwede Naja. Der muss ja was verkaufen. Würde er zugeben dass das fürn Arsch ist, verdient er kein Geld.

@freemo another thing to consider: does the suffering person actually want to be killed? Could they be content with the fact they're suffering? Could it be that they don't see that as a sufficient reason to have their life ended (imagine someone refusing to be euthanized on religious grounds, for example).

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@pemoe Ja. Beliebig aber nicht willkürlich, weil Bedingungen der Möglichkeiten haben wir. Aber das hilft uns kaum zu ahnen.

@mundauf @pschwede

Dennoch kann man Wissenschaft als das gewaltigste Orakel kennzeichnen, welches die Menschheit je hatte.

Die Folge ist, daß unsere Gegenwart der fetteste Flugzeugträger ist. Tiefgang per Rekonstrukion: Milliarden Jahre; Reichweite per Algorithmisierung Milliarden Jahre. Sichere Gegenwart: Staaten 5 Jahrespläne, Konzerne vllt sogar mehr. Aber klar man vergegenwärtigt sich auch immer die Möglichkeit von Überraschungen.

@pschwede Diese verleiten uns zu glauben wir könnten auch komplexere Entwicklungen steuern, regeln etc.. Dem ist aber nicht so.

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