namark @namark@qoto.org
Joined Jan 2020
@xj9 If you are generally opposed to law, discussing either copyright or copyleft is meaningless. No law, then yeah, whatever lol, what are we even talking about.
It seemed to me that you were pointing out some sort of a incoherence in copyleft, so I wanted to clarify that.
Regarding enforcement georgia brought up the same argument, which I replied to here:
https://qoto.org/@namark/105470809009286349
@georgia
@georgia well yes and then proprietary software will reign supreme. You think copyright law caused all the problems in this industry? I only distribute binary, stop me. I implement DRM, lol, stop me. I digitally sign the firmware, lmfao, staaahp meee. The reason this has even become an issue in software industry first, and only from there started to leak into other engineering industries, is because the proprietary culture has a natural advantage in neutral setting.
@georgia I don't understand that analogy. Yous seem to imply that the opposite of copyleft is enshrined in the law, which is not the case as far as I know. The law does not say that you must exploit people (even though it is somewhat biased towards it), it simply says that you get more or less free reign. Similarly imagine law that didn't say that murder is good, but simply said that you may allow murder on your property. Then there are people who will declare that murder is allowed on their property, and those who will declare that it is not allowed.
Now it just so happens that everyone decided to allow murder, so the few that oppose it have to go on the offensive, such as not giving passage through their property to anyone who allows murder.
@bonifartius I'm sure that's what you had in mind all this time while going:
> not gonna drop any names here, but modern leftie is the new nazi
> the dichotomy is well defined cause it's human nature
> at the same time being leftie is a decision, regardless of the fact that I just tried to justify the dichotomy by claiming that the group behaviour is natural
> I meant to criticize the idea, but it's a fundamental human right to make up an enemy group and be pissed at them, so I can do that
@bonifartius To elaborate on this particular case. What do you think people who seriously peddle "whitey bad", are going to justify their stance with? Biological inferiority? No, they are going to claim that circumstantially a group of people that are white has been formed that is privileged through systemic discrimination, therefor the only way fight this, circumstantially, is to persecute this unconscious conspiratory group. I'm pretty sure they will bring up exactly the same arguments and examples you bring up here, to defend the existence of the left and your persecution of it.
When someone says "whitey my enemy" you shouldn't say "then you are my enemy", you should say "what the hell are you even talking about, that makes no sense".
@freemo It is my opinion that, for as much as such a thing is natural, it applies to everyone, therefore it is not a meaningful dichotomy. I would attribute it to myself as much as I would to you, I point you out in this discussion because you are the one arguing for the "common sense" of left's existence, while I'm going against the grain. My initial point is that such dichotomy for the sake of dichotomy should not be accepted and reinforced, but questioned and rejected.
Now tell me wheater you agree or disagree With the first sentance. Does the hive mind parrot syndrome apply to all equally or some especially? I argued the both points here but I guess it was too concise to be apparent.
@freemo I ask you to clarify and you simply say that you already did. @bonifartius
@freemo I say you mean it only applies to some people, you say no. I say you mean it applies to everyone you say no. I confuse. Please don't just say no to everything, tell me what you think.
@freemo Sure I'm not dumb I'm just being super dumb. I will repeat the same thing in different ways ten times over if that's what it takes, language is not perfect. If you don't want to talk don't talk.
@bonifartius
@freemo Sure, applies to everyone, how does it create a dichotomy then? Explain to me how something that is the same for everyone is a dichotomy? Again the only way I can interpret what you are saying is that the dichotomy just exists arbitrarily for the sake of existing, cause you just want it to exist or something. There is no difference between you and the left other than that you are not left.
@freemo than try to explain by directly addressing my points, cause what you said so far was clearly not sufficient for the oh so dumb me. If you don't wish to speak, again simply don't.
@bonifartius no you're targeting a superficial trait in both cases
"discriminating based on skin color is meaningless" is probably what you mean, but you are falling into the same trap that you are describing.
@freemo
I'm asking you, as that is my understanding. If you don't wish to speak, then don't.
@bonifartius
@freemo It's not an absurd idea in the way that it applies to all. It is an abdurd idea to think that it applies to yourself or your group any less that to any other group, just like with any natural behaviour of a human being. I thought I don't have to break it down to that level. Humans also like to eat. DId you know? It's facinating.
We are talking about discrimination and dichotomy. Something you can reasonably discriminate people by. What you are saying in that context amounts to "one can manipulate people into discriminating based on anything, and that that it's good and should be perpetuated"
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@freemo what is there to prove wrong?
I said that only reasonable thing that you can claim is a dichotomy is some sort of an agreement between people. You said that it's not an agreement but a natural tendency that apparently only applies to a certain group of people. If you meant something else, feel free to clarify.
@freemo if it's a natural thing that applies to all how is that a personal attack? or do you mean it a natural thing that only applies to inferior subspecies of hive mind parrots, and find it incredibly insulting that I dare to equate you to them?
@bonifartius @freemo indeed it works very well, I can see it working on both of you right now. Not what @freemo said though.
