namark @namark@qoto.org
Joined Jan 2020
@freemo you said that people who say they are left, have some kind of internal natural (not agreed upon, not societal, but natural) common tendency, that resembles parrots.
@freemo those are your words, and I see little difference between those and what our fedi resident racist officiandos would claim.
@freemo nice, some kind of weird subspecies of hive mind parrot-humans. What a discovery you have made.
@freemo "people who claim to self-identify as left have certain common qualities in personality among the majority of such people"
how exactly does that work? what are they a hive mind? is it that they agree on something?
The best you can claim is that they agree with each other on something. Now tell me what that something is, and then we can discuss whether that something can reasonably satisfy the properties of dichotomy defined on the set of all people.
@freemo and I self identiofy as queen victoria today, politically leaning inside out. You are basically saying that the term is entirely meaningless and the whole point of it is to split people into two tribes, and as long as that happens we are golden. Yes keeping the definition vague serves that purpose quote well.
My point is that for any even semi-meaningful definition that you can come up with that is not just dichotomy for dichotomies sake, you would struggle to even prove basic properties that are required for it to be a dichotomy, let alone all the other claims you make.
@cowanon what does that even mean? enlighten me please, I hunger for shorts!!
@bonifartius @freemo
@freemo @bonifartius My point is that left does not exist other than what you define it as. Grouping people based on a vague political statement is no different than grouping them based on color of the skin, clothes or length of nails. You imply that the world is divided into people who are left and who are not left, and you have a natural leftdar, even more, everyone has a natural leftdar: are they *some superficial characteristic*? - bash!
This is the curial fallacy imo. The tactic you employ to justify yourself here is common to the ideas that you are trying to criticize. "They bad, they discriminate, so I discriminate them". There is no they. You can criticize ideas without demonizing people, even those who at some point might in some ways appear to hold them, and trigger your enemydar. In this particular case your are criticizing something that you immediately engage in yourself.
The all vs most is a distraction. Talking about a McDonalds you will be talking in specific context in which McDonalds is a well defined dichotomy. We collectively ensure it is well defined, by not allowing any random thing to be deemed McDonlads by any random party. That is the fundamental thing that you require before you even begin with any of the loosey-goosey statistics.
I dare, anyone willing, to define the dichotomy of the left based on mathematical principles: define the binary relation, and demonstrate that it's reflexive, symmetric and transitive, without turning it into a tautology. In other words - show me your glorious any% accurate leftdar.
@bonifartius no, it's the exact the same fallacy. Just like you do not have a gaydar or a racedar, you do not have a politicdar.
When boyz are out gay bashin, they don't study the full life or medical history of every victim, they see a rainbow - they bash; a guy with long hair? - bash.
Any kind of objective basis for discrimination something like racism ever had, has been thoroughly disproven. These days the racist conviction is that it's a superior religion. There is no clear way to even define races, but we must still group people based on superficial differences, cause otherwise we can't mass murder them and win.
@bonifartius
> dividing people into groups
> stupid bad evil leftist people
@freemo predetermination clearly excludes free will, but it is not an absolute outside of religion. The question is predetermined by whom? If I always prefer oranges to apples, you did not predetermine anything, you simply observed and memorized my determination. A person without memory is simply constantly communicating such determinations to you with every choice they make, and you happen to have a piece of paper to write those down on.
Now in mathematics we have a curious result, which goes something like this: no sufficiently complicated system can predetermine itself. From this I would handwave a conclusion: to each other we will always have free will, and a higher being that can predict us, we will never recognize.
@alex @seanking nice job dancing to p's fiddle. Read the op again, filter all the bs and drama, what do you see? "cowanon spammed fse -> freemo is cowanon -> go post at qoto how he posted on fse", that is go spam qoto. Then he goes on to spam the admin, one would presume expecting others to join in. How am I to interpret this other than he's probing ground to see if he can launch a mass harrasment or a ddos attack? Of course the moment it is pointed out he's going to go "i dindo nothin, was just a joke bro, why you mad?!". Watch him immediately back down from the cowanaon=freemo claim, once it's clear that it's not getting traction, without presenting any shred of evidence or reasoning.
freemo might have overestimated severity of his actions at a particular moment, that makes one person wrong on the internet, oh my god a tragedy.
Meanwhile what is really harmful to the network is admins who encourage turf wars and witch hunts, and that's exactly what p is doing.
@p @cowanon @underwater @grips @realcaseyrollins @modfaggotry @freemo
@Hyolobrika @bonifartius
you guys should just say "pinephone more affordable and more open and stuff" and I'll be defeated.
@nanko challenge: use an avr chip without the arduino's circuitry
@freemo @trinsec to most readers the claim is impossible to prove or disprove, and thus is entirely irrelevant, you don't have to look at anything further really. What is relevant though, is that he is using that as a pretext to encourage people to spam qoto. Instances are turfs to him and admins are ganglords.
@orekix @mewmew @Hyolobrika @georgia @velartrill @cassolotl
> don't wont to spend your entire life taking care of children, until they inevitably grow up and you loose any semblance of purpose in life, well, you must be a child hater freak.
> men who can't stand children are ok... after all, if we teach them empathy, how the hell are we going to get them to kill enemy children?
@bonifartius freakin cross-thread riddler >:(
@bonifartius you said you don't want a phone at all, make up your mind :V
@garritfra It's called a tagged union (a structure with an integer tag and a union of the alternative types). The type system will not help you do the matching though, you'll have to do that manually switching on the tag and accessing the right member, or create jump tables (arrays of function pointers) indexed by the tag.
@normandc my granma did that too recently, it forgot the default audio output device though, so I had to help her out a little. Overall it was an improvement, since the audio situation was a little finicky on that machine from the start.
@garritfra I snuck xubuntu in when replacing here old computer, she doesn't even what an OS is, she just think that's what new computers are like ;-)
