PJ @pj@qoto.org

@freemo

Oh, it can.
Try downloading child porn or other shit and look how fast it will be denied.

@thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha

@freemo

I'm talking about airplane *engineering* safety which I happen to know a little about.

Airplanes, are statistically speaking, the safest mode of transportation. More people die in bus and car accidents than in airplanes and that is not by chance. It is because we've put some effort into making them safer.

According to you we should have gotten our priorities straight and fixed the buses first.

@freemo

How don't you see it is the same situation?

I can get access to the Internet from a library or walk onto a shooting range and shoot a few rounds under supervision, but if I want to buy a gun and take it home where there is a risk of harming other people, I have to get an IP subscription and join some of the social platforms where I can "shoot" nonsense like this.
@thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha

@thatguyoverthere @mike805 @freemo @lmrocha

If it helps, think of it as a ***"gun owners' fediverse"*** where each club is an "instance" and the NRA, instead of an association of individuals, is a federation of all the gun clubs of America.
Then, instead of taking care primarily of just the needs of their wealthy donors (gun manufacturers), they may start also thinking about the needs of all of their other members and their local societies.

@freemo

Yeah. Sure. If we had this kind of equitable approach to aviation safety, we would probably have more airplanes falling from the skies but at least our bus rides would be as safe as airplanes.

Sometimes with people, it is not all about statistics.

@thatguyoverthere

Why is it more terrifying than being all by yourself? Just make sure your club is not hostile to the government.

If the government thinks you, or any bunch you are currently associated with, are hostile, you will be stripped of your rights anyway, club or not club. At least in a club that was previously sanctioned by that same government, you have some kind of protection.

@mike805 @freemo @lmrocha

@freemo @lmrocha @mike805

Maybe it is not ***the*** problem but it surely is ***a*** problem. We can argue about priorities, but I believe a well-regulated ecosystem of gun clubs with proper shooting ranges, competitions, and other social events may go a long way in easing the violence, especially among younger people.

@freemo

Do you consider the 60 people gunned down in Las Vegas in 2017 more of a "medium" or a "larger" game?

Also, how could this happen:

> His arsenal of weapons, associated equipment, and ammunition included ***fourteen AR-15 rifles*** (some of which were equipped with bump stocks and twelve of which had 100-round magazines), eight AR-10-type rifles, a bolt-action rifle, and a revolver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting

I might have a suggestion that could satisfy most of the people here:

**Problem:** The perpetrators in mass shootings are mainly "loners" with some unresolved issues.

**Solution:** To be able to legally buy a gun you need to be a member in good standing and have a permit from a "well-regulated militia" (a.k.a. a gun club or society).

So the responsibility for the security of a society is neither on the individual nor on the government, but on the society itself.

What do you think? Is everybody happy? You have your guns (as many as you wish) and the rest of us are a little bit less concerned we'll get shot at our place of work, learning, or praying.

@lmrocha @mike805 @freemo

The rise of the #civilizational #empire

>“Chinese believe that the ultimate test of a good political system is not ***procedural democracy***, but to what extent it can achieve good #governance or ***the substance of democracy***.”

And We at the CPP are the only ones able to define what *good governance* entails and what is the *substance of democracy* because we were never wrong before.

https://www.noemamag.com/china-rises-as-the-ideal-civilizational-state/

Only in the *United States of America* (and only for protection):

>Today, the AR-15 is the best-selling rifle in the United States, industry figures indicate. About 1 in 20 U.S. adults — or roughly 16 million people — own **at least one AR-15**, according to polling data from The Washington Post and Ipsos.

At least it is not a fully automatic gun. I wonder if the mass shooting problem would disappear if the other 19 people also had one of those.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-america-gun-culture-politics/

@JamesHMcLaren

Yes, but Thomas never paid for anything from his own pocket as Merchant did.

@thatguyoverthere
You had to "drag me back in"

In my opinion if you have to use guns to solve anything (even in case of the police) it means we as a society suck.

@freemo's argument that women use guns to protect themselves from bad penises is also dubious. I think taking a self-defense training or even a bear spray would be much more effective.

@mike805 @lmrocha

@freemo

Again. It is not about how you define "people". It is about having #criteria on who can and who cannot have a gun, drive a car or buy cigarettes or alcohol ...

The founding fathers had such criteria, as ***everyone could not bear a gun***, and we should also have them.

That's all I have to say.

@thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha

@thatguyoverthere

You've said it is not the gun that is a problem, it is the person, and I agreed with that.

I just don't agree that we all should have to protect ourselves (supposedly with more guns) from bad persons with guns, instead of, as a civilized society, minimizing the chances these people can do harm.

@mike805 @freemo @lmrocha

@thatguyoverthere
No. Are you?
@mike805 @freemo @lmrocha

@thatguyoverthere

Or what? You'll shoot me?

@mike805 @freemo @lmrocha

@freemo

Sorry, didn't realize your automatic weapon is a "classic".

@lmrocha @mike805

@freemo

I believe the definition of "people" at that time, as @lmrocha pointed out, might have been very narrow.

@thatguyoverthere @mike805

@thatguyoverthere

Ad 1: So you are OK to inconvenience a lot of innocent people by having to protect themselves and the places they work or study rather than have someone who wants to own a deadly weapon jump through a few hoops before they can get one? Nice.

AD 2: I wasn't talking about the morals of your founding father figures, I was merely pointing out that they also had some (unwritten) criteria of who can and cannot have guns, that you think we don't need today.

@mike805 @freemo @lmrocha