@freemo
Oh that's easy. Sweden.
As a point in a discussion about how bad COVID-19 is, it was pointed out that ICU's are 70% full.
... about the same as over the last three years.
> lower than what would have been without lockdown, obviously.
Sorry, I don' t buy any crystal ball argument.
> Where do you even get this sort of anti-science nonsense from
From science.
https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/
> Like i said its on a level of absurdity its hard to even respond to.
Likewise. No matter how you try to slice it, the numbers for COVID-19 are not significantly different than for seasonal flu.
> It would be like debunking a flat-earther, how do you even debunk someone who says things that arent even close to the reality of the situation?
I don't know. How can I convince you the sky is NOT falling?
I can't. No matter what data or peer reviewed studies I show you, they'll all be wrong. Summarily. No science provided, simply flat earther ad hominem.
We do agree on one thing. Rational discussion on this topic seems a bit out of reach.
@freemo
Summarily dismissed.
@freemo @Dblaze09
Italy and NYC were pretty much the only places hospitals got overloaded... also happen to be places where air quality was bad, and governmental mandates were counterproductive.
Everywhere else, whole floors of hospitals are shut down and doctors and nurses are sent home for lack of anything to do.
This is in places that locked down as well as places that didn't lock down.
The SIMPLE fact is that COVID is not significantly worse than any influenza. The SIMPLE fact is that government actions (e.g., sending COVID positive elderly back from hospitals to nursing homes) contributed to the "excessive death" numbers more than the actual virus did.
@Sphinx
Uh...
3/4 = 133%
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@freemo
No problem. Juice it.
@iankenway
Debian
@Phaedrus @design_RG
Most people are unaware of the fact that there were ten times as many "collateral damage" deaths due to drone strikes under Obama as under Bush.
@freemo @design_RG
> I'd say personal bankruptcy is more as you describe because with personal bankruptcy you have no obligation to liquidate your assets to replay loans.
Depends. Very often personal bankruptcies are required to liquidate and repay. In Florida in the '90's they came and took everything I owned deemed unnecessary or excessive. Guns for instance.
@EVoCeO @vnarek Historical perspective is always good too. https://www.forbes.com/2010/02/05/world-health-organization-swine-flu-pandemic-opinions...
@freemo
That's what I gathered from the thread. Whether you wear hearing protection for the supersonic crack seems to be a judgement call. Some people wouldn't go without. Some say it's not "that loud." One source says he measured 163 dB with no suppressor, 142 dB with one... saying nothing about what kind of round or suppressor.
Personally, I'd still wear hearing protection @ 142 dB, as would most, I suspect.
You're behind a mound. You hear a crack overhead. Start counting and concentrating on determining the direction the rifle report comes from. This will tell you where the shooter is.
A silencer on a supersonic round will muffle the barrel report, but do nothing for the supersonic crack.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject
any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has
captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you
give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
Since there are conversations on this instance regarding disallowing people who "don't agree with us," a thought on what constitutes "truth" or "propaganda" or "conspiracy theory:"
Conspiracy theory: Area 51: true
Conspiracy theory: MKULTRA: true
Conspiracy theory: Mockingbird: true
... etc...
"Conspiracy theory" seems to simply be code for anything "of which we don't wish the public to be aware." Stuff that FOIA requests eventually show to be true.
Any time a rational person sees "conspiracy theory" used, his first thought is, "I wonder what underlying truth that's built on" rather than, "cuckoo!"
@SecondJon
I haven't worn one, and I won't wear one.
@snow
sex is determined at conception, not birth.
Joined May 2019
