tripu @tripu@qoto.org

@bonifartius

> _“You’d have a constant drain of value without anything in return because of taxation”_

Taxes would be avoided to a large extent if such community worked as I explained, obscuring much of inner economic activity. (Some taxes are evaded _outside_ libertarian utopias, after all.)

You say “drain” of value. What about the alleged increase in value (as per libertarian ideas)? What about all the things members could do on their own, and with each other, in such a community?

> _“They’ll find a reson to fuck with you”_

The onus is on defenders of #anarchocapitalism to prove that all those things have been tried in libertarian communities, and how _exactly_ the State or outer authorities stopped all that.

I get back to my short list of examples above.

> _“For a limited amount of time and in limited ways these things work rather well”_

If libertarian ideas work only within the very narrow confines of a music festival (a couple of days or a week at most, with only a few hundred quids per person at stake, limited to very specific activities), then it's further proof that libertarian ideas wouldn't work for society.

@bonifartius

I don't understand your answer.

To reiterate: what exactly is preventing a group of hundreds or thousands of like-minded anarchocapitalists from implementing their ideas in a small closed community (within the boundaries of the law imposed by the parent jurisdiction)?

They could trade among themselves using zortskilfs as currency; hire, save and invest using zortskilfs; and convert to/from USD only when they absolutely need to interact with the outer world (eg to buy goods they can't produce internally). All that economic activity would be hidden from fiscal authorities, thus tax-free, since they all reject the authority of outer fiscal authorities and courts of law and nobody would denounce or sue their comrades.

Members in need of, say, a doctor, a teacher or a driving instructor would use the services of other members (regardless of whether they have the degree or are licenced to work).

Comrades who suffered illness or injury would rely on inner mechanisms (charity, a mutual insurance company) or simply resign to their bad fate — anything but relying on social services, well-fare, subsidies, etc.

Members could have guns at will. As long as they're used only internally and other members don't sue or snitch, that should be OK for all.

Violence, trespassing, theft, etc within the community would be handled internally (private court, fellow arbitrator, etc), not via State or Federal law, public courts or prisons, etc.

Why aren't they doing all that?

@Pat

(#Anarchism is absence of hierarchies (we usually call that a State). A drug cartel is definitely _not_ hierarchy-free.)

@Pat

That's my intuition too, yes.

@Pat

I very much doubt that drug cartels function as free societies where members enter voluntary agreements, act according to the #NAP, and respect the property of others…

I just asked #ChatGPT (take this with a ton of grains of salt):

> _“Overall, the political organization of a Mexican drug cartel is **highly centralized and hierarchical**, with a strong emphasis on loyalty and obedience to the top leadership. The cartel leaders operate as quasi-political figures, exerting control over large territories and often engaging in **violence and corruption** to maintain their power.”_

In any case: if a Mexican drug cartel were the best example we had of a #libertarian society in action, then I rest my case.

@danirabbit

As a “straight white cis man” myself, I don't feel welcome in lots of places where political discussions run rampant, so I should definitely find those “no politics” communities you mention.

Thanks for the tip!

~~But who would build the roa…~~

How would such a society handle driving licences (or lack thereof!)?

Even if courses, examinations, issuing documents, etc were done by private entities, wouldn't you need some kind of central authority to enforce some minimums?

What do you make of the lack of [significant experiments in the real world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities) (note that most examples on that page are collectivist societies, communist #libertarians, etc — not experiments where all property is private)?

I get that a modern nation doesn't sell a region or a province to a group of like-minded individuals to let them live and interact as they please, and that even if that were possible, such community would still depend on the “outer world” for lots of important things.

Still, isn't is suspicious that there aren't at least a bunch of long-lasting, functioning libertarian experiments where members voluntarily ditch outer courts and laws, shun subsidies and quotas of any kind, rely on an inner grey market to conceal income and wealth as much as possible, rely solely on voluntary agreements among them, etc?

With so many passionate supporters worldwide, why isn't that happening, at least to the extent it's feasible within the framework of existing jurisdictions?

Some honest questions for proponents of #anarchism, specifically of the individualistic sort (ie, #anarchocapitalism):

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Sixteen years on the birdsite today. Not really there in the last few, though.

I encountered #HelenLewis' work for the first time when she conducted the first (and perhaps still only) honest adversarial interview with #JordanPeterson back in 2018. It was a pleasure to see someone wrestling with Peterson's ideas and strongly challenging some of them from a place of rigour and curiosity.

Today I listened to Helen Lewis on #BariWeiss' podcast, and definitely she's a thinker and an author worth following:

https://www.honestlypod.com/podcast/episode/3203402d/a-golden-age-of-gurus

@fergunet

Thanks!

En mayo estaré en #esLibre2023 contando [cómo se libera un sistema de diseño corporativo completo](https://propuestas.eslib.re/2023/charlas/como-liberar-todo-sistema-diseno-corporativo)

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Más info:

@eslibre

https://eslib.re/2023/

“Not your keys, not your coins”, yes.

But:

If you deem the probability of losing access to your wallet (device crushed, seed words lost in a fire, etc) 100 times smaller than the probability of your exchange failing (going under, being seized, etc) you should keep a hundredth of your #crypto at the exchange to balance the risk.

I also loved:

* _True Detective_ (S1, S2)
* _Big Little Lies_ (S1)
* _Community_ (several)
* _House of Cards_ (several)

And liked:

* _Vikings_ (S1, S2?)

#TVSeries #TVShows #TV

Although the public campaign seems to have completely fizzled out, on this fine last Wednesday of March I wish you…

**a happy Document Freedom Day!**

#DFD #DocumentFreedom #FreeSoftware #freedom

So basically I can enter every street in #Madrid city any time (even when there's high air pollution warnings), and park anywhere (including regulated parking areas), for free and with no time limits.

https://www.madrid360.es/como-me-afecta/etiqueta-0/

#EV #ElectricCar #SkodaEnyaq