ᛕᎥᕼᗷᗴᖇᑎᗴ丅Ꭵᑕᔕ @Kihbernetics@qoto.org

#Learning is #Playing

>“If you’re not having a good time, you’re really not learning”
Really what kids need to learn, they told us, are the “***6 C’s***”: #collaboration, #communication, #content, #critical_thinking, #creative_innovation, and #confidence. Play and the arts, based on their research, build the 6 C’s

https://nautil.us/to-supercharge-learning-look-to-play-292946/

The main difference between "man-made" machines and other simple physical #structures (#products) and #autonomous, living #systems is in the way they are "produced".

Machines are #built from the #outside by an #allopoietic process similar to #sedimentation of placing layer upon layer of "things" and connecting them to "inform" a unified single structure.

Organisms, on the other side, are single unified and integrated entities from the moment of their inception, and all their "components" #grow from the #inside out in parallel and at the same time in a closed circular #autopoietic process.

Another one in a series of Noema articles promoting the return to ancient civilizations as a recipe for a brighter (more democratic?) future. If they were so great I wonder why they all fell for Western #liberalism. This one at least correctly identifies #civilization as means of #colonization.

> #Civilization began with the idea that the “*civilized*” had to confront the “*barbaric*.” ***Men of vision*** set out to find meaning in life beyond their own borders. They ranged from prophets and teachers who inspired those with wealth and power to spread their message to everyone. ***Their vision could help a powerful state shape a borderless worldview and define the values of a new civilization***.

https://www.noemamag.com/modernizing-ancient-civilizations-for-todays-planetary-challenges/

In this propaganda article "#civilization" is used as a synonym for #religion. Chinese ethnicity is not necessary as long as you

>"use the inherited resources, such as Confucian classics, to fashion your practices and thoughts" ...

To what end? Confront and "civilize" the barbaric liberals?

https://www.noemamag.com/a-non-liberal-foundation-for-robust-democracy

Identity #politics does not care about your personal #identity and #uniqueness.

>"#Identity_politics, which derives often from civilizational and cultural factors, remains opposed to #liberalism. Bruno (Maçães) says “States might have a territory and a people, but their center of gravity lies in the way of life embodied in the state."

https://www.noemamag.com/civilization-states-are-profoundly-illiberal

@garymarcus

Do you see any problem in this explanation of why the moratorium wouldn't work?

https://aisnakeoil.substack.com/p/a-misleading-open-letter-about-sci

Btw, the link in your toot doesn't work. I think this one is better:

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/i-am-not-afraid-of-robots-i-am-afraid

A rare short and clearheaded analysis of the **real** risks associated with the use of #AI tools in contrast and response to the general overwhelming "doomsday" hype such as that presented in the recent *6 months moratorium* letter.

https://aisnakeoil.substack.com/p/a-misleading-open-letter-about-sci

I wonder if those two are concerned at all with what happened with the last emperors and czars they are trying to emulate. 😀

https://www.noemamag.com/reviving-the-realm-of-czars-and-emperors/

@ybaumy@digitalcourage.social

Yes. It makes perfect sense for Taiwan to keep TSMC on the island as a means of protection.

I reacted to this article because the writer fails to mention that "civilization states" like China and Russia didn't stop their "globalization" efforts of spreading their "civilizational values".

I think the whole argument that the Western (liberal) globalization process is dead is bogus, as the speed at which the majority of world countries came together after Russia's invasion of Ukraine can testify. Globalization is just becoming less one-sided and more **diverse**, like a good neighborhood where people are primarily focused on their own "houses" but can quickly band together when needed to fix a common (global) problem.

I think there are actually two globalization processes in place, one led by China and the other by the US and other Western liberal democracies. Judging by the global movement of people you can immediately tell which one is more attractive. You don't see lines of westerners trying to emigrate to countries like China or Russia, do you?

>"As Chang proclaimed: “Globalization is almost dead. Free trade is almost dead. And a lot of people still wish they would come back, but I really don’t think they will be back for a while.” "

With the world becoming more and more of a "global village" where people, capital, and ideas move freely and instantaneously there is no turning back on #globalization.

People are just becoming more aware of the fact that it is not very clever to have all of your eggs put in one basket, particularly if that basket is far away from your immediate reach.

What is happening now is not #deglobalization, it is #diversification.

https://www.noemamag.com/the-cost-of-deglobalization/

I think Maturana may have "jumped the gun" here by succumbing to the cybernetic #control vs. #controlled type of thinking and using a gun (a mere passive #product or #structure) as a metaphor for an active, living #system.

In my mind, the notion of ***external control*** so pervasive in #cybernetics does not fit well with the notions of #autopoiesis and #constructivism.

Unlike a (living) system, the gun has no other #choice but to react to the trigger, except, as Maturana notes, in case of malfunction (which is not equivalent to choice).

If #AI by some chance gets in a position with the power to "wipe out" humanity, it will be not because of its superior intelligence but because of humanity itself.

The truth is that intelligence neither craves power nor it is a precondition to raise into a position of power. Quite the opposite.

Some wise words from John Dewey about the difference between #Intelligence and #Power written back in 1934.

https://newrepublic.com/article/100340/intelligence-and-power

Humberto #Maturana Romesin on ***structural determinism***
*Our Genome Does Not Determine Us*
Presentation made at the Remaining Human Forum
Vancouver, B.C., May 22, 2001
https://asc-cybernetics.org/2001/RH-Maturana.htm

1943 - The year when it all started:
#Cybernetics, #Computationalism, #ANN
From: *Brains, Machines, and Mathematics*
by: *Michael A. Arbib*

Didn't know Google can also do translations:
https://www.google.com/search?q=translate+cybernetics+greek

@sozialwelten

Hi, SocialWorlds. Your post ended in my "Home" timeline probably because of the #information(en) hashtag, and even if I don't speak German it looked interesting so I "had" to translate it and respond. Hope you don't mind :-)

> #Distinction of #undecidable #questions in #known and #unknown #conditions of their #relevance.
#hypothetical / #factual
#Factually meant as a #question for #data as not yet known #information
#known / #unknown
In the case of #functional systems such as #economy, #religion, #art and #politics, only #facts are missing. How they are to be #understood is #clear.
In the case of #meaning and #ecology, #decisive #factors are #unclear.

In my opinion #data=#facts. You can't argue about facts the same way you can't really argue about the "hard data" (numbers, graphs) in front of you.

What you can argue about is the ***interpretation*** of that data, or the ***different*** private #information every one of us will extract from the ***same*** set of data (facts) in front of us. What information is derived from the data depends on the ***different*** #knowledge(s) each one of us has about the world.

@protagonist_future

Should **Fox "News"** be banned for spreading misinformation?

https://www.niemanlab.org/2023/03/why-journalism-schools-wont-quit-fox-news/

@protagonist_future

By all means, investigate and prosecute criminal behavior. Citizens and consumers need protection, both legal (formal from government agents) and communal (informal from individuals and society at large).

But don't go and preventatively de-platform "influencers" because, in someone's opinion, they spread harmful misinformation. It is not uncommon for bad actors to start playing the victim in order to silence dissent or information they don't like.

You have one recent example with the de-federation of the #qoto mastodon server:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/z68m3e/jeffrey_phillips_freeman_eugen_rochko_ceo_of/

> Unlike the Cartesian argument that living beings are like man-made machines, Kant was the first author who defended the view that organisms are deeply different from machines because their parts and activities are non-separable, and the functions of these parts are not externally imposed, but rather intrinsically determined.

*Moreno & Mossio*
Biological Autonomy - A Philosophical and Theoretical Enquiry

They might **behave** (function) similarly to machines, but the real difference is how they are **produced** and maintained.