🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@ChristiJunior

Its more important to me that the bad behavior of someone that has no relevance to their race doesnt go out of their way to mention race for no reason.

@icedquinn @waltercool

@Bajax thats fair, but they are paid with grants prior to making the drugs. They get paid the same even if a large portion of the vaccine sits unused. So you arent contributing to them making money by being vaxed you are simply ensuring the drugs dont go to waste.

@skells incidentally it is also easy for me to hold my position when the people disagreeing with me are literally and actually stupid. Generally stupid people do a poor job at making a compelling case.

@Bajax Didnt cost me a penny to get vaxed and I dont even have health insurance right now.

@skells

1) no there isnt, unless you define evidence as "stupid shit people make up". Chances are you call things evidence that doesnt remotely resemble evidence.

2) radiation is something completely new. vaccines are not new, and the RNA approach to vaccines are not your only option (there are classical vaccines). So no this is false, classical vaccines have been around for decades and we know well the risk. Yes there is some very small chance something novel could arrise. But we have done this so many times with so many vaccines and never had a problem the chance is vanishingly slim

@js290

Indeed, and when a total of 5 people died of COVID vaccines, all associated with a single brand and 0 people on other brands, the consequences are non-existant in any practical sense.

@skells

@js290

A man who didnt die of COVID happened to get a COVID shot before dying... how is that important?

When there are 400 million shots delivered one **Expects** a good number of people who were going to die of unrelated causes to have recently been vaccinated. To conclude that one, two, or a hundred cases that fit that pattern infers that COVID vaccine was the cause is just completely uneducated. Thats not how any objective person assesses risk.

@skells

@skells The same evidence we have for all vaccines that over time have proven to be true. Over a year of data on 400+ million doses without the slightest hint of anything suspicious. As we know from vaccines in the past, and drug testing in general, this results in extremely high confidence in its safety into the future.

@skells the claim here is not that ther eis high uncertainty but relatively low uncertainty.

The certainty that vaccines are safe is relatively high, and its safety is extraordinary high as well (5 deaths out of 400+ million doses)

The certainty that the vaccine is useless is moderate. the evidence is fairly suggestive that it is useless right now against delta, but its highly preliminary and stands a good chance of changing. so the certainty on this side is middling at best.

So from these two factors one would conclude the overwhelmingly obvious choice is to get the vaccine.

@skells Dont you need to also add in the uncertainty in my claim that the vaccine is useless then?

@skells Based on most recent data, yes. If you had asked me a few weeks ago I would have said no.