🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

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Who is Jeff Cliff?

@randahl I dont distinctly remember it, but i didnt forget it. Like all i get when i look at this is a wave of nostalgia but cant recall it specifically but feels familiar.

@ech

Criticisms of vaccines in an educated way isnt a problem. I myself have criticized some choices in that regard. Namely that the vaccine was rushed through without the proper safety, which at this point it has achieved that level of safety so i no longer make that point.

That said, blatent "viruses have never been isolated" conspiracy theory stuff and generally anti-STEM posts with 0 stem value (AKA an endless stream of conspiracy theories against scientific mainstream knowledge such as viruses or flat earth nonsense) will get a response from us. That response is to check if you are a STEM professional or not and review your timeline.

In short, unless you are just spewing constant conspiracy theories and lack STEM credentials in those fields, then you will be asked to stop.

That said you'd have to take it to a pretty far extreme for it to get you a ban for sure. Simply having an opinion in a field you dont have credentials for certainly wont do it. Your entire feed needs to be a trash heap and quite obvious you are here only to exploit the academic freedom and not as a member of the STEM community.

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> You do not moderate, you dictate. You've banned people even though they break no rules. For what they had to say went against mainstream science at the time.

Your opinion, but regardless we arent free speech, clearly.

I had already explained when you were banned why it was against the rules. So I have little need to debate that aspect.

@flamingofire@freeatlantis.com Absolutely, which is proof we do moderate, and we are not "free speech" and do not claim to be. So your response has only proven what I said was true.

As for if its a "bad practice" to moderate users and have criteria, that's a matter of opinion.

#universeodon is now even lying to its own users about #QOTO, and they seem to be getting the hint.

See this post: https://mastodon.acm.org/@LiveByReason@universeodon.com/111931444289540696

My full response to this was the follow:

If you are interested here are direct links so you can see my replies, he is lying about QOTO because we called him out for abusive moderation practices against his own users and now is engaging in a campaign to defame QOTO as a result.

See my reply to you herE: https://mastodon.acm.org/@freemo/111931848544933260

Also here is the original thread, that he hid from you, that promoted him to make retaliatory posts against QOTO (keep in mind i did not make this post from QOTO): https://mastodon.acm.org/@freemo/111908751487276074

Also a post of mine pointing out this was in retaliation: https://mastodon.acm.org/@freemo@qoto.org/111910018732266904

Also as a reference here is one of the many third-party administrators who stepped up to say QOTO absolutely does moderate racist: https://mastodon.acm.org/@Raccoon@techhub.social/111917501785785346

#fediblock #Mastoadmin #fediverse

@ech I mean i literally have run public companies, and been in charge at very large companies. Me being aware of how they are run clearly isnt in question.

You seem to be the one who thinks people at every level can know about something but somehow the guy at the top is the only one who is oblivious.

Yea your bias isnt against racism, sorry, but thats some pretty big bias clearly in favor of Trump here.

I mean sure youc an say the high up wont know certain things at their company, for sure. But we are talking about something shown to be known at every level of the company, these arent the same thing.

@ech Sure,

You can disagree all you'd like. But to anyone who is being unbiased about this would not doubt for a second Trump is a racist from this evident alone, let alone the mountain of other examples we have.

@ech

You are the one who has to show he clearly didnt know, as you are the one making the unreasonable assumption that a coordinated process at every level of the company was somehow kept from Trump despite everyone else knowing and participating in this actively as a coordinate scheme across multiple properties.

@mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts

@ech

> if they show he clearly knew and allowed the policy to continue (i.e. before the point where he "circled the wagons" that I mentioned in my other post) I'd love to see it.

I have addressed this twice. It does not, but since this sceme was across multiple properties, at the highest level, and coordinated through every level of the company.

It would be absolutely absurd to think everyone across multiple properties and every level knew about this but somehow it was managed to be kept from Trump.

If that is the argument you are making then you need to prove that, not the other way around.

@mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts

@ech

You justneed the link to the urban league docs I cited?

@mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts

@ech

Thats not what I said... I said that 1) it was a company wide system across multiple properties and reaching at every level with a formal system. This **implies** he knew it, ther eis no document proving he knew it. 2) in the source I cited it does touch on how this was already publicly leaked before the lawsuite as people were pretty pissed at Trump. So even if somehow you could excuse some grand conspiracy he was clueless to he clearly would have known about it befor ethe suite.

You are the one claiming there was a grand conspiracy across multiple properties and management that somehow Trump could have been unaware of despite the scale and pervasiveness... thats a huge leap so the burden of proof is on **you** to argue that case.

@mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts

@ech

It was leaked publicly before the lawsuit, the leaking is in the mountain of evidence. Yes he very clearly knew and was most likely based ont he evidence directly involved in instituting it. Even if you can argue that it was somehow some huge company wide conspiracy that everyone knew except him at the top, you'd have to demonstrate that somehow (as its not a reasonable assumption). Short of any such evidence it seems quite obvious not only did he know, he was a part of it. But yes he clearly knew as it came up in the civil rights documents from the urban league.

@mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts

@ech

Oh I see your point, and as a general statement its perfectly valid. But makes absolutely no sense in this case where a coordinated scheme among upper management with code words and all was employed specifically to exclude blacks. With "C" meaning "Colored" that when added to an application would signal to the upper management (trump) specifically to exclude someone for being black.

@mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts

@ech

Ok so you just showed you didnt even bother reading the source material or have any understanding of the case... yet you seemed to drawn a conclusion anyway, thats troubling.

There was a whole system in place between upper management, coming directly fromt he top, to exclude colored people. They had a special paper they would attach to applications with coded messages (C means Colored in the upper right corner).

This coding would be used and coordinated across the entire organization to ensure blacks would be explicitly excluded.

How in the world can you go from that (and similar evidence) and explain that away as a few rogue racist agents, that makes no sense.

@mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts

@ech

That seems highly unlikely given that it was coordinated between seperate properties of his, and was reported and Trump took no action.

What evidence do you have that some conspiracy was in place to lie and manipulate Trump so he couldnt/wouldnt be aware of massive racism taking place unilaterally across all his properties? Honestly considering it was in the news at the time I cant see how he couldnt have known.

@mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts