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@fasnix thanks. Hope you apply down the line

@currentbias @ABScientist

All good

@fasnix Not at this phase. We will likely start needing that around the 9 to 12 month mark.

@currentbias

Oh, well in that case your just wrong. Colds obviously do exist. They are caused by infections in the respiratory system for sure. But they very muich exist.

@ABScientist

@ABScientist

Ok, and, you arent talking about colds, you are talking about flus... flus are defined by the =viruses that cause them, Colds are not.. its like saying "SARS-2 causes inflamation" and then saying "No it doesnt it causes COVID!".. the response is nonsensical as it can cause a lot of things...

@currentbias

@ABScientist

No you are talking about flus now, not colds. Flus are caused by specific viruses within a specific class (Influenza)... Colds are not, colds (not cold-like, actual colds) are caused by at least 4 different families of viruses all with many hundreds of strains.

@currentbias

@SpaceLifeForm

Very much appreciate it.

Despite being an open-source oriented company we do have a core that is not open-source. Sadly that means things are very hush hush right now. I will keep that in mind though, thank you.

@ABScientist

I am ok with giving the people to have an option to wear a mask or not and they can divide accordingly. I wouldnt reserve space up front as it may cause one group to be preferred over the other, but i do like the idea of saying masked people sill in starting from one end, unmasked from the other. Meet at the middle.

Planes id be more reluctant to do it that way, but id be ok with it if again it was divided front to back or something sure.

@currentbias

@currentbias

Cold-like is literally a cold.

You need to understand infection diseases are **not** defined by the viruses that cause them (usually) they are defined by how they present. You diagnose a cold by your symptoms, if you have the symtpoms you have a cold, that is true no matter what virus happens to be causing it. In fact a cold is causes by so many different viruses that it doesnt even stick to a single family... You can literally have one of any of a thousand different viruses and they are all colds, not just cold-like but actual colds.

@ABScientist

@ABScientist

As a COVID-19 research scientist your preaching to the choir man. No doubt.

I wouldnt say we are doing nothing though to protect these vulnerable people. I mean a **lot** was done, entier economies were shut down, vaccines developed, mask mandates had been issues, people went to extraordinary lengths to address it. You can argue they can do more, sure, you can always do more.

As for what we can do to protect them, I can think of a few things but not that much. Allow more remote work, better filtration systems in building with higher overall air flow, staying home when your sick... a few good things can be done but even then there isnt much else that is reasonable I can think of to do.

@currentbias

@ABScientist

I mean the gene lottery determining how fragile your immune system is nothing new, and hardly anything unique to COVID (aside from COVID just being a nastier bug than many).

@currentbias

@ABScientist

There is no doubt that we have seen vascular damage in COVID patients. I am not claiming the vascular damage thing doesnt happen.

The current body of studies is enough to make one wonder about it and want to investigate it. The body of evidence is far too early however to state it as fact, thats all, or much about it.

My guess, the vascular damage is real, but only occurs in special cases (such as having specific bad genes, or pre-existing damage) or in particularly severe infections. But in the overwhelming majority of minor infections in healthy people I suspect it does not lasting cardiovascular damage.

It would explain a lot of what is being seen in the body of literature IMO.

Regardless I do suspect it is a real element of this virus, just one that isnt a significant concern in the less severe and healthier cases.

@currentbias

@ABScientist

Indeed I have. Blood pressure has significantly improved since pre-covid, blood sugars as well, much improved. Cholesterol levels remain the same, neither good nor bad.

@currentbias

@ABScientist

Calling it a vascular disease is **way** to premature. There is preliminary evidence suggesting this is a reasonable take, but nothing remotely approaching a point where we can or should be saying such things like their facts.. there is a LOT of researc h to be done before we can say that is a fact.

And yea, as I said, it is very much different from the common cold in its more extreme cases for sure, no doubt there.

@ABScientist

I have had 7 pcr-confirmed COVID=19 infections so far. For what its worth I have never noticed even the slightest hint at a long term effect personally.

In fact over that time period my vitals have greatly improved as I have become more active.

@currentbias

@currentbias

Its a bit more complicated than that. If we had said "flu" then yes, for sure. But a cold isnt caused by a specific class of viruses or even one.It is a set of symptoms.

A cold is essentially infalamation of the mucosa membranes that is **not** caused by a specific virus or class of viruses. It is a set of symptoms that many different viruses all cause.

So its a bit more nuanced than that because literally what we call the common cold comes from damn near anything, including coronaviruses.

@ABScientist

@ABScientist The bulk of cases can feel very cold like actually. But you are of course perfectly correct in saying that the more severe cases are not at all like a cold and can get quite serious.

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