🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@realcaseyrollins

Need a remind you this is the same man who thinks its illegal to ignore a court order explicitly saying a man cant be deported, deporting them anyway, then the supreme court reaffirms again it was illegal and he needs to bring him back, he ignores the court order again, and then claims he wants to operate within the law... yes his figment of his imagination as to what the law is, not the actual reality of the law.

@lnxw37a2

@realcaseyrollins

So wait, you dont think that represnets him saying loudly and clearly he plans to deport usa citizens?

You think because he said he is looking into a way to do it legally that he will follow the law? despite the fact that he hasnt listened to a single rulling any court has placed on him of any kind?

Seriously, I never once lost respect for you for leaning republican... but right now, right now was the first time I did.

@lnxw37a2

@realcaseyrollins

Nothing personal, but are you kidding me. He has said it multiple times while being videos, and it was reiterated at a press conference explicitly.

Here is where trump **first** said he is looking to deport american citizens:

https://youtu.be/vGKQh_Kj0DQ?si=_lEhTpHy3YNHLfJI&t=52

Here is the follow up where immediately following the above statement at the official press conference they are **explicitly** asked if he plans to deport USA citizens and they answer in no uncertain times they are trying their darndest to find a way to deport USA citizens:

https://youtu.be/Cs32oUJPXWU?si=17Oy3-O8dzmclRpK

How did you miss such a HUGE thing said in an official and direct way....

@Clambino

@realcaseyrollins How ya figure? Trump explicitly is screaming at the top of his lungs about deporting citizens.. how is it not his fault

@realcaseyrollins

Not deport me, not deport **legal** immigrants, and not making me fear for my freedom would be a nice start.

Be sure not to miss it. This is a once in a night time thing!

Your brain is programmed and evolved to think all this ::waves generally at everything:: is perfectly normal. It doesnt matter what this is. When the black plague was rampant and death and poverty were everywhere, it felt just as normal to those people as a world where we went from the first plane to a landing on the moon in just a few decades.

If you can pull yourself out of that head space for even a second the view is quite interesting from this side of the line.

@stux

Back in your day? You mean like a week ago? :)

@realcaseyrollins

Most people do. And while I dont think the christian approach of "follow this book" is any better (though manyc hristian principles are good ones), I think the idea of basing ethics on "what is normal" is probably one of the biggest flaws of humanity.

@realcaseyrollins

I do agree on both points again.

Out of curiosity, does "modern social standards" matter in determining what is right or not for you though? For me it doesnt, though it will effect how i judge a persons mental state.

@realcaseyrollins

1) I totally agree with your messager here. 2) out of curiosity do you also feel its inappropriate for black people to use that word in a similar setting and context?

@Murray_N

LAWL

@realcaseyrollins

@Murray_N

It goes way before the trauma though. Religion drove them to think they had a right to steal a land from a people and exterminate them. The trauma came later.

@realcaseyrollins

@Murray_N

Honestly I dont mind people being hypocritical IF they are currently int he right. People can change their opinions for the situation. But the fact that he does it simply to win an argument, rather than a realization of any meaning is the real damning part.

Also its just such a shit excuse.. like I know plenty of people who literally lived their whole lives in israel or palestine and clearly are so biased by their personal expiernces couldnt even begin to see the situation objectively or clearly. Sometimes NOT being in the situation can give you greater clarity than someone on the ground.

When I was in israel i had bombs blowing up all around me sent from Palestine as I sat in my high rise home, constantly needing to hide in a bunker. Most people would develop a clear bias and hate towards Palestine due to that personal experience regardless of the details around it. For many going there can be what makes you biased. I am just exceptionally good at emotional detachment (though not perfect), so for me that didnt really bias me strongly and I was more effected by my time getting to know the people on both sides and understanding their views.

@realcaseyrollins

@realcaseyrollins

Yea once he went down that road my eyes rolled so very hard they almost got stuck there. That was the moment he lost any chance of me taking him as an objective party in the conversation.

@Murray_N

@Murray_N

Yea, I mean the other guy knew he was lying to himself on some level, thats why he used the traps/smoke and mirrors at all. He knew if he actually debated ont he facts he wouldnt have a leg to stand on.

@realcaseyrollins

@realcaseyrollins

You can be... but being right doesnt mean your words have value either.

And Dave's position wasnt wrong, he just did a shit job at arguing because he left Douglas's bad faith argument lead the direction of the debate, he was reactive rather than proactive in the debate, and when you do that against a bad faith actor you will have a weak position whether you are right or not.

@Murray_N

@realcaseyrollins

Absolutely, good faith doesnt garuntee correctness. But him being the good faith actor does mean his opinion is more worthy to hear than a bad faith actor. Listening to a bad faith actor in a debate is little more than a individualized version of propaganda.

It also means you wont get to the points that Dave had that might have been incorrect, since you dont have good faith counter arguments to evaluate at all.

@Murray_N