HUMAN CHANGE = WORK TOGETHER ? @freeschool@qoto.org

Human change first because technology almost ONLY gets forced towards profit without that.

If it's public and people need money, then you can hardly trust anyone who are working for money (willingly or not... loving money or not- they must find money at any cost to humanity)

But all things _might_ be needed to try even if it plays into the same bad hands first...

Open-source and 'open' stuff is also turned towards evil on larger scale. Good or or bad - all leads to profit first unless really it's defence is built in. And one defence is more clever AND loving people (we have clever people but not loving).

Imagine all the people trying for good and the bad just take the cream of that only first for advertising tricks and forcing another kind of governance.

Again your stuff on blockchain _might_ be needed, if allowed... if people want it, want more tech and blockchain in their life... etc etc... if... while real power is existing over weak people just working endlessly...

@amiya_rbehera Human change first because technology almost ONLY gets forced towards profit without that.
If it's public and people need money, thenyou can hardly trust anyone who are working for money (willingly or not... loving money or not- they must find money at any cost to humanity)

But all things _might_ be needed to try even if it plays into the same bad hands first...

Open-source and 'open' stuff is also turned towards evil on larger scale. Good or or bad - all leads to profit first unless really it's defence is built in. And one defence is more clever AND loving people (we have clever people but not loving).

Imagine all the people trying for good and the bad just take the cream of that only first for advertising tricks and forcing another kind of governance.

Again your stuff on blockchain _might_ be needed, if allowed... if people want it, want more tech and blockchain in their life... etc etc... if... while real power is existing over weak people just working endlessly...

21@amiya_rbehera@mas.to
Growing people first it seems better for many contexts;

Growing B- can get rains I think better than - this scores in the now more than later or as technical challenge with uncertain / perhaps near-0 use. Growing people first it seems better in many contexts;

OH WELL _shrug_ .... "NEEEEXT!..."

@amiya_rbehera You write too short... Good you can reply but...
🔴 ... you distract from many points you could answer
🔴 ...you didn't answer almost any of the questions

🏁 Congrats... we're done! 🏁
To keep working this way is a mistake.

There rest is not needed, I think the above is enough...

So you think logic works with workplace type people or sharks or with work/money logic, and even general people views.

51% is often a stupid mechanism too as 1% either way means it was even so half unhappy is bad.
Another way is needed to not make not that much unhappy.
(Eeven 60/40 is still close and bad / need to work together)

Anyway I'm wasting my time..

I like you're writing in theory only but without many answers back sorry it doesn't work at all.
All these things could... work... like always so many good things around. Why are they not used?

I guess it's tempting to keep developing... good luck without answering people's questions.
_shrug_ .... "NEXT!..."

1/ #Trust Building with genuine #Anonymous / #PsuedoNames

2/# Feedback #Vouched #System
#p2p #Users #ProofofWork #People and #Mutuality in #Timelines etc

While it's good to do some questioning and inquiry, reading of the last few posts to judge someone, looking at their avatar etc... you can't expect to understand everything connected in a short and in a non-deep way... That would lead us only to a newer Twitter ;)

So yes allow a bit of strange or weird (which is actually often the "new" or unique) sometimes / often.

No one person trusting anyone or using the job title as a kind of filter is also meanwhile not useful because it's not building trust properly by yourself ( by your not practising it or being too protective online without Capitalistic labels )...

You have people that don't answer some people based on avatar which is being too sensitive while they might put their name and address everywhere somehow trusting everyone else in the world!!...
(not going to name who but it's quite hypocritical because online is a lot safer as any real risk and more people are just scared of a user online without educating themselves).

Trust-as-you-go is also possible and means things are totally blind or totally "anon" (take a deep breath!). Even if I say I am this or that as #anon / #noname / #activists / #archivist then still by what I say and do online, what I and other boost and have done with others IS tangible -

You can feel free to question that if you cannot just work positively forward as 'best we can' and with constant clarity as main parity check along the way publicly as safety somewhat and privately...

MY FURTHER IDEAS & THOUGHTS AS #PEER CHECK #PEER2PEER AUTHENTICATION (somewhat)

One or more people can make tangible trust between those others that have already talked to / experiences with and can prove for others they are ok or at basical communicable level

And even dox them or their actions if really really really needed. It's like more community eyes on us where pointing fingers also is a judge on you (rather than silent judgement people don't see and is your error in withholding / not giving trust / Ubuntu but in negative form).

Most people don't want to do do bad or have reasons we need to sort anyway... even #jokers #shitposters or #shitpost genre in general are amazingly honest and obvious flavours and still truthful to themselves at least so not bad at that level either - actually very clever too usually and diverse in creation and even truth. Honest in that (even clear racists) are helpful to see online and serves them too with outlet usually without violence if it does then we need to know about it too which trusting more does)

We accept somewhat distrust but as part of building from where we're at can use all people willing and accept filtering and even openly justifying why...

#AI #Quotes from post: https://mastodon.social/@publictorsten/113315998059621041

💬 "the mistake is using the tool in the first place." #Quote
- jelte @jelte

💬 "There is no identifiable person to hold accountable here." #Quote
- Jon Het. @Jon_Kramer

@HannahClover @dave_cochran @shalf That's like all of us coming across some tech or added feature for first time, like we got email without reading checkbox terms and then we get our parents 'on to it'...

And then realise decades later that no, this is not good - but wasn't any better way back then and not much now (I remember when email was 9.99$) so based on that stage of evolution not many would get email ! (and that would be #justice somewhat if people not willing to pay!)

Bundled AI or other things (with or without checkbox at beginning or along the way) is similar integrated stuff which at some point you have to say NO to in a hard / impossible ultimatum of self-denial and decline of of usage of such increasingly popular steroided code / software-turned-trojan-horse software... 💣 💥

This was a good example and a more unique combination of #AI as cropping tool, usually Terms and Conditions trick + actually adding to original images or replacing (potentially sexualise it too which humans do plenty of)

In short:

"the mistake is using the tool in the first place." #Quote
- jelte @jelte

"There is no identifiable person to hold accountable here." #Quote
- Jon Het. @Jon_Kramer

What is missing on Fediverse and everywhere now certainly in real life for various reasons mentioned... which doesn't make anonymous people guilty of a crime or bad, but almost the regular opposite though systems or people can assume otherwise without name, age, birth etc info which makes people uneasy without.

So I CC: you here as alternate way of saying some of what we talked about before and alternate evidence (not just my experience and testing with people / you).

CC: Chris H #ChoirsForClimate @hutchingsmusic
CC: @freemo QOTO admin
CC: @freeschool (me)
CC: Amiya Behera #FBPPR @amiya_rbehera
CC: Joost van Baal-Ilić
@joostvb
CC: @DarkOptimism (audio speaker)

Feel free to boost if you think others can comment on this as further opinion...

DEEPER VERSION BELOW
FOR THOSE ABLE TO BELIEVE....

This audible version says my heart what many of us say in various ways, which I can accept is a better interpretation or needed as various medium to bridge to each other. Audio shows underlying #psychology and even main problems of why problems continue (!)

Again many ways can lead to similar ways but the same / ID ways online can often lead but it's "safety" to the same limited bad ways for 'good' 'spam-free' filters people's brain does online... all this is great for for States and System's when people reveal themselves online (Scholars I understand a bit more if out there or career making) but often assume there is no other way and makes it too easy for Capitalism to see / pin comms, and then work on preventing them. I could give you examples but jail time for speaking out (without violence, without much) is actually enough evidence itself (unless you don't believe there are people sitting in jail now too easily from their own evidence - could have been a bit better and assumed one day it would come to that).

Much like a wing-man or wife speaking for their partner, people like Shaun Chamberlain @DarkOptimism (whose work I really recommend) are needed to talk for us (and OK more credible as representative of principles / not titles as much as that shows some skill) and show others a more accepting or measured way to get us all there and what we anon feel excluded from and able to do (if not block us after!).

Shaun helps people see and bridge their own gaps (it is your gap not mine but I don't mean everyone listed here or that I'm perfect).

But you're able to do more with me / other / anon people, spam-looking even who still hold logic, persistence, usable energy etc and include them and not just ignored based on pseudo-name, nickname, username,... or dodgy looking links you don't even test

Not people defining themselves by capitalism's "work", not just in tech (where it can help see another pure coder) but everywhere now less are doing the caring work and head in computers (the hard stuff and what coders might be avoiding / running from because we are reliably imperfect - and human, but doesn't make us bad or helping humanity get better by not doing more of or coding ever more disposable code). Humans also transfer many things reliably and in the now.

Robotic and too safe / sterile
= less trust, friendship, practise, ...

Not doing the deeper human work then yes you're part of a culture in decline...

...yes even without name or passport control or answering adequately "where are you from?' questions... all of that can be too much now we are culturally / historically raped, all mixed or sterilised in some form, or just disconnected. And wish to focus on other stuff first... maybe even therapy of all that along the way for everyone...

We shed identity of Capitalism's kind and Capitalism also raised the bar of being complicit in 'system' #war / #extractive #factory types of uncaring #systems

🛂 ID is the same copy and paste for uncaring Capitalism as a conditional start (and end) to everything, so make note of that. 📔

Those questions are even not so needed (but ok if some want to answer but accept some don't) We also most certainly will offer it later don't worry - just not in your order currently.

You need to have better faith than me at least- and if you don't - justify it... so that our survival in the future isn't just about people who didn't try with genuine people (assume 99% are or testable as-you-go to understand what their type IF it not clear from profile or first messages).

Can't ignore anonymous real responsive logical people, activists who know what we use online, and good reason for being protective (nothing to do with you directly) and yes almost a curse we have on ourself to bare like not having Facebook but hold highest principle of self-protection from system holding close because we know data collecting and mapping and whatever is all future 'prevention' in the making from our comms and *IDentifying* people.

Repeat this audio a few times.
And find more chance for us to do more. Or tell me more why now.
Thank you.

========

WITH "more anonymous" in mind people like me .... i.e. Less defined by role in society (since anyway we are rejected) and less ID or less passport upfront means even #activists don't understand a different version of #activism - such that activist-scholars don't understand or want to understand other too well - which means they can't practise without psychological unrelaxedness even when a genuine anonymouse comes a long. Staying inside activist-scholar realms is also dangerously easy to shut down.
I could tell you how but I think those than almost dox themselves are also needed and part of it - each can work in their own way.

And instead play it so safe it can play our reasoning or even coming out of boxes and assumptions.

The reasonable expectation and interactions

Because I / we are frequently ignored based on prejudice of holding back our exact identity or profession (we are protective from system more than anything but doesn't mean we want to attack everyone we contact and profile says a lot about a person which make us no totally anon / random / without principle)

The value of being yourself more than your position in Capitalism or Scholarly position *first*... can be seen by people who don't reply back for x/y reason (mostly not taking the time to check even though they might want to do that anyway - I could put a better front fascia but at least honestly I don't)

The quality of believing in people, Trust-as-you-go or "at the speed of Trust" and increasing reassurance rather than ignore or shut comms down.

#Trust #Transparency #Realness
* with #Anonymous / ID Protective people on #Fediverse especially *

Others I thought of:
CC: Chris Adams
@mrchrisadams Science and Justice. #Green #Web #ClimateChange #Climate
#ExtinctionRebellion
CC: @gabriel