(webdev Tory) @worldsendless@qoto.org

@trinsec I mean, that's basically what Slack is, too, right?

@trinsec I haven't actually tried Matrix beyond a log-in. It is designed as a Slack alternative, right? Being part of Fediverse stuff it is open source, but does it follow any established broader-community standards such as SMTP protocols, etc? I currently helped my workplace change to self-hosted Zulip instead of Slack, which is basically a really slick veneer over email functionality (in fact, email is my major way of interacting with Zulip). So Matrix doesn't seem like it has a place other than replacing Slack?

@sevenonetwo I think there are products made whose initial form is so suspect, even by its current standards, that they are defective by design. "overtaken by evil" would be the other scenario, where their original design was not bad in its then-context, but has become such.

@sevenonetwo ah, SMS evilness. Because it's just a flawed system from the get-go; it didn't start that way, and didn't originally have bad intentions, but it is hatefully obtrusive, bound to big companies who make no trustworthy guarantees about data privacy or profiteering, is very vulnerable to spammers, has no encryption facilities, and is just a pain to use. "Evil by circumstance" because they had no original bad intentions or neglect; evil has just overtaken it.

@Archivist Sounds like it has the kind of clean TCO that Java (Clojure) lacks, which slows down writing recursion just a enough to make room for list comprehension

@Archivist How does Elixir do it?

@Archivist understatement?

What if we move to functional programming and forget about mutable loops at all?

TIL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMPP . Discussion about decentralized messaging solutions brought this up, for when paranoia (of which I have a healthy dose) dissuade you from Telegram or Signal. I once knew it as Jabber, but in one form or another the solution has been around since 2010. I'm still tired from getting all my contacts to move to Telegram from SMS (evil by circumstance) and WhatsApp (evil by FB control), though. And, personally, I'm still intrigued by #DeltaChat as a means of reducing the buy-in cost. Or I can just stay where I am on Telegram. 🤷

@veer66
I believe the "they don't read email" is the principle target audience of DeltaChat

@Zerglingman @al1r4d@mstdn.io

@Zerglingman @al1r4d@mstdn.io @veer66 Yep. But IM over email is not new, and is possibly all you want: not attached to any phone number, full freedom and not even requiring recipient buy-in. I'm not sure how it is for groups, though, which is why I still use something phonenumber-bad.

@Zerglingman @al1r4d@mstdn.io @veer66 Have you checked out DeltaChat?

or, anyone doing serious computer troubleshooting. I just had this while trying to install my printer in #guix.
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RT @Param_eth
Sed life of a web developer 🤣😂
https://twitter.com/Param_eth/status/1523181550179065858

I mean, they are Bing results, but I still feel like Microsoft is trolling me... #guix

Like maybe what other apps you run, or easier access to your location or phone number, or the privilege of irritating you with popup "limited time exclusive" ads.
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RT @worldsendless
They will pay you to use their app instead of your browser. How does that make business sense? Because they are getting something about you from the app that browser safety doesn't allow.
https://twitter.com/WorldsEndless/status/1522782967281594368

shadow-cljs #clojurescript requires npm. There is no npm package in #guix, but a simple `guix install node` will get you your npm command.

Whoa -- ready to upgrade my #clojure skills with a whole lot of binge watching! https://lambdaisland.com/blog/2022-04-25-making-lambda-island-free