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When the constitution was written it didnt have modern vehicles in mind! Ban assault trucks!
@freemo You know, that actually raises a good point. You might have the right to bear arms... muskets, that is. You probably shouldn't have the right to own one of those modern weapons at all. ;)
@trinsec yes everything modern and dangerous should be banned.. cars, guns, SCUBA, drain cleaner...
@freemo How do you use drain cleaner as a weapon? I'm really curious now! SCUBA I can still see usable as a blunt weapon, especially those oxygen tanks!
@trinsec People have used it as a weapon in some quite brutal assaults. They usually fill a jar with it and splash it on someones face. It can blind and disfigure.
@freemo Makes sense! But it's not produced with the intention to use as a weapon though! Unless you count the war against clogged up drains!
@trinsec No you'd still have the right to bear an AR-15, but according to your "rule" the AR-15 would just have to be manufactured by a person who did not intend it as a weapon.
@freemo Nah, you misinterpret me. An AR-15's purpose is obviously not to cook with. It falls under 'arms'. The drain cleaner isn't falling into that category.
I don't have to make up those rules. I'm sure USA already has a whole list of categories for those kind of objects.
@trinsec So you worded yourself poorly. It has nothing to do with the intent of the person making it at all :)
@freemo That's correct. Sorry 'bout the confusion!
@trinsec no worries
@freemo nothing arbitrary about that, these are items designed and built for specific purpose - to wage a war. You can't wage a war with drain cleaner or trucks, even medieval weapon systems will beat that, especially in a city. You don't ban weapons so that one person wouldn't be able to do one stupid thing, you ban them to prevent criminal organization from waging all out wars against each other and the police. After achieving world piece and ending all wars, you might be able to design something that could be a weapon without it becoming a weapon, but meanwhile, if it can be a weapon of war it will be tried, tweaked, produced and marketed as a weapon war.
Incorrect. The AR-15 is not designed to wage a war and has never been used in a single war. Their primary purpose is "small game", as in, farmers shooting at rodents and moles to keep them off their land.
An AR-15 is not even powerful enough to use for deer hunting.
You are likely thinking of the M-16, which has a similar design but is an entierly different gun and is only capable of being used in war due to being fully automatic, which really only works as such because of it being a low-power rifle with low kick back.
@namark In fact, quite the opposite is true. They are designed specifically to **not** be useful in wars.
@freemo you are the one that just now said that just cause someone says it's not meant for something doesn't change what it is. You take a military design tweak a thing or two so that some law does not exactly apply to it and now all of a sudden it's a whole different thing. It's absurd. Yeah sure it's an obvious disadvantage no military would want, but that hardly changes what the thing is, and I know what hunting rifles look like, those were optimized for their purpose long before AR-15 or M-16 were invented.
I never claimed the AR-15 was not a war weapon simply because of intent. I pointed out real world functional reasons why it isnt (it isnt powerful enough to be useful in war at all, it isnt even powerful enough for deer hunters).
As for you knowing what a hunting rifle is used for.. again the AR-15 is litterally used by the overwhelming majority of owners a rodent and small game hunting. The reason it is the most popular gun in america is because virtually every farmer owns one and uses it for that reason.
No, they dont, wow you really are clueless about guns yet seem to have an opinion... now thats a delusional way to approach the topic.
No an AR-15 has about 1K ft lbs muzzle velocity, which is the lowest muzzle velocity of any rifle on the market. It is literally only barely acceptable for even small game.
1K to 2K is considered useful for small game, 2K to 3K for small game, and 3K up for large game.
Please learn your facts before calling people delusional.
@ademan who do? police and gangs in countries where gun control is minimal, yeah sure. Most policeman around here don't carry firearms, buttercup. When those things are expensive, makes em really hard to get even on black market. You make them cheaper than toys, well everyone and their granmas would get one.
@AmpBenzScientist you should read what I actually wrote instead of thoroughly embarrassing yourself with a knee jerk reaction to an internal narrative you got going on.
Oh yes hitmen, the backbone of every platoon, the brave men and women without whom fires of war would never burn.
@AmpBenzScientist yes yes, and then go back in time and pour some drain cleaner on baby hitler to save the world... wtf are you even talking about agent 47?! are you gonna share your sexual fantasies with us next?
@freemo Well, what would fall under the right to keep and bear arms then? Dandelions?