Louis Ingenthron @LouisIngenthron@qoto.org

@jaysonmassey You could not have missed the point more completely 🤦‍♂️

@jaysonmassey You might try reading again, more slowly this time. Because you seem to have completely misunderstood what I wrote.

@jaysonmassey I'm not interested in defending Nazis or their ideology.

I'm just curious why you're so eager to engage in guilt by association. If a Nazi posts on QOTO (as has happened in the past before moderation was able to deal with it), does that make *you* a Nazi too for having an account here?

@jaysonmassey And you're willing to condemn a mass of people as Nazis because of the actions of one individual?

@greg @joeo10 "Those recommendations" that you think they should be liable for are comprised of the content of third parties.

And, in many cases, those recommendations are not driven by decisions made by people in the company, but rather by preferences expressed by the user.

So, no, an intermediary should not be legally liable for the content of one third party just because their algorithms show it to another third party who wants to see it.

@ceoln For sure, there is a degree of nuance.

I don't think I'd consider "self-imposed mental anguish" to be suffering, though.

If a person *chooses* not to eat, are they really "suffering" from starvation?

Likewise, if a person chooses to believe something that society has collectively decided is abhorrent (i.e. racism, pedophilia, eugenics), are they really "suffering" when that society inevitably collectively shuns them? They knew the rules of the game and chose their path anyway.

(Also, fwiw, my original reference to "suffering" was a bit off-topic to the original thread, since it was in direct response to my opponent wishing harm on me directly.)

@greg @joeo10 Making companies liable for the content of others *is* suggesting getting rid of content algorithms, whether you realize that or not. Google's not going to offer you an account if they're liable for getting sued for whatever you post/upload.

Most users can't even figure out how to sign up to Mastodon, and you want them writing content algorithms? Those are written by some of the smartest people in the world. And if a company dumbs it down enough for the average user, guess what we get? Exactly what we have now: where people customize their content by choosing who to follow and like.

@greg @joeo10 Enjoy the hellscape you seem so keen on creating.

"Content algorithms" drive search bars, spam filters, internet archives and more, while protecting essential sites like Wikipedia and news from being overrun by bad actors.

The internet will be a far shittier place if this goes through.

If you want something a bit more scholarly to read on the subject, check out this Amicus Brief that lays out the arguments well (and look who signed it):
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21-1333/252764/20230119182956110_230103a%20AC%20Brief%20for%20efiling.pdf

@ceoln I am familiar with that argument. And I agree that such bigotry should not be tolerated.

Where I draw the line is that the government is not the correct forum to deal with that.
People should not be jailed or beaten by the government for their bigoted thoughts or speech.

They should be shunned and shamed and outcast by society instead.

When we give the government the power to punish wrong-think, it is inevitable that a bigot will gain power and use it to beat and jail those seeking justice.

So, as for the comic, I agree with everything except "must be outside of the law". Instead, it should be "must be outcast from society".

Folks, I don't know who needs to hear this but when you wish your opponents jailed or beaten for holding opinions that you oppose, you're not the good guy in the narrative. Even if the other guy is an actual Nazi. You're just sinking to their level, not fighting against them.

And people who are advocating for civil rights for *all* aren't supporting Nazis just because they think they should have rights too.

I thought this was taught in middle school. How do so many people still not get it?

For example:
https://qoto.org/@LouisIngenthron/109892436701054552

@w7voa Oh come on, that's satire, right?

@jaysonmassey Why?

That's like refusing to visit an entire country just because you met someone from there once and they were a dick.

Is it still #ScreenshotSaturday?

Have I set the mood properly here?