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United Federation of Instances Proposal
https://gitlab.com/ufoi/constitution
I tagged below everyone who asked me to tag them. I have now started a gitlab group and project where we can discuss the #UFoI proposal transparently and with a good recorded history.
Please start discussions by creating issues, and any edits you have to the proposal please edit on gitlab and submit as a merge request, which can then be discussed.
I will write the CI code to make sure the document gets compiled.
I will try to leave the mass-message like here just to the major developments as it feels a bit spammy. I will only send out one more notification once the by laws draft is up. Of course if anyone does not want to get notified let me know and ill leave you off from future discussions.
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lol I have no idea what all these very long posts are but good luck with your... *squints* fediverse UN and server rights court? : 
@frankiesaxx Thanks.. the idea is to make defederation evidence based rather than rumor based... it wont be a "court" for any instance outside of the federation. It will only govern the members who elect to join.
@freemo
there's definitely a place for compiling actual evidence and history of bad action so people can make educated decisions about defederation, sometimes it's pretty clear and easy like network hostile servers deliberately attacking other servers at a technical level like a couple years ago, other times it's less clear if it's something real or just some kind of interpersonal admin drama that's escalated to "I'm not speaking to you anymore!" "Yeah? Well *I'm* not speaking to *you* first!"
@frankiesaxx yea, the hope here is that interpersonal drama stays out, if it isnt evidence based, an an instance has proven to meet the mutually agreedupon ethics, then the interpersonal drama needs to go.
@freemo
I'm lucky as a user that my two main instances have a very light defederation policy, and the top admins are willing to stand up against defederation ultimatums and power games and that "Well if you keep talking to Sally's, I guess I can't talk to you anymore!" nonsense
@frankiesaxx perhaps they would want to be part of the UFoI, or at the very least might want to join the discussion about it... maybe you should ask them?
@frankiesaxx Never hurts to ask and see. Perhaps they have ideas that it could be constructed in a better way.
@freemo
You're free to invite them! I just don't think they'll probably be too interested in getting into those drama infested weeds
neither would be like "omg harrassment!!!!" if you contacted them via their listed info and asked if they'd be interested or anything, just wouldn't expect a yes
@frankiesaxx can you tell me their handle on mastodon, ill politely reach out, thanks.
@freemo
the other part of this is some admins really see their primary role as social moderation (and may not even be the person who is running the technical aspects of the server) and those people prioritize curating social interaction over facilitating it
I think every admin has to make choices that fall in a spectrum between providing a technical service and curating the social space, and they're both noble values, people will just land differently in which takes precedence in the grey areas
@frankiesaxx the UFoI is **purely** social. It has no technological components of any kind.
@freemo
one of the best things about the fediverse being distributed among different servers is that users who can't run their own have real choice in choosing a server whose values on that spectrum align with their own, unlike one size fits all corporate solutuons
@frankiesaxx yes, this unique rules for each server thing is partly what I wanted to preserve.
Keep in mind the code of ethics is intentionally incomplete. It only covers the minimum one would expect of a good-actor, the sort of traits most everyone could agree on if their trying to be decent... but each instance in the UFoI also have the option to create additional stricter rules for their instance.
@freemo
I would say unlikely, neither tends to like to get into the social politics of fediverse.
I think part of the fedi conflicts come from different value priorities (and I don't include the bad actors). Some admins see what they're doing as providing a public service supporting and protecting network access, which is important bc the idea "you can just stand up your own instance" is correct in principle but not realistic for tons of ppl bc either technical knowledge or financial reasons