🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@bonifartius
Im not sure how you can say a vector is active. Its just a part of the outer shell of the virus as opposed to the whole virus.
@markusl @iron_bug @zleap @Nobody@freeatlantis.com

@abloo do gammers actually get mad cause someone says they are male or female?

@bonifartius

You have vaccine options that arent RNA. It is true RNA treatments are much newer and that might make you worry. So why not just take one of the vaccines that are a traditional vector instead?

@markusl @iron_bug @zleap @Nobody@freeatlantis.com

@bonifartius

Its best to have a good diet AND take supplements. Even a good diet tends to have some holes. Take potassium for example, virtually everyone, even the healthiest of eaters, tends to get too little postassium

@markusl @zleap @Nobody@freeatlantis.com

@markusl

If the study is based on volunteers thats even worse as there is huge selection bias there. If it is randomly sampled (As a proper analysis should be) it would be less bias but more subject to the problem I already described.

In short observational data where the vaccine is voluntary is itself going to give you bad data by its very nature unless you correct for countless things no one is even attempting to account for (I named one big and obvious one).

So all studies based on observational data are pretty much garbage (and no surprise why the CDC which has a clear agenda to sell vaccines and improve support of vaccines) is using them.

Lets face it, government agencies would never release data, no matter how convincing, that break the public trust in vaccines.

That said I'm not anti-vax, im vaccinated despite knowing the data leans towards it being ineffective against Delta. The reason is simply because I know its safe, there isnt a conspiracy, just dishonest interpitations due to natural biases. So the safety figures are largely correct, So the way I see it, why not get vaccinated since the data doesnt draw solid conclusions either way, it leans strongly to it being ineffective against Delta, but it is hardly definitive proof of that.

@Nobody@freeatlantis.com @zleap

@markusl

Please show where int he studies the specific situation I just described is adjusted for. I've been over more studies than I can recall at this point and have yet to see this addressed except by studies which take more direct measures, which again all suggest delta is largely unaffected by the vaccine.

@Nobody@freeatlantis.com @zleap

@markusl

In short, the rates described are complete fiction since they are not and can not be conducted in a controlled environment and studies that take that approach are generally considered exceptionally weak due to the aforementioned fallacy.

For example, how do you know those numbers are due to the vaccine and not some other property that is unique to the group of unvaccinated people? One very reasonable assertion is simply that unvaccinated people do not generally take precautions to avoid the virus (like wearing a mask or washing their hands as often) and thus that, rather than the vaccine, is the reason for the difference in numbers. Thus the fallacy I mentioned.

@Nobody@freeatlantis.com @zleap

@markusl

Yes the article discusses it, but puts weight on the dodgy indirect studies, suggesting their conclusions can be trusted (they cant) and fails to put sufficient weight ont he more direct viral load studies and just presents with some handwaving of "errr er dont know what this means".

The trust is the trust should be reversed. The viral load studies tell us the vaccine is a complete failure on delta in every respect and that the more direct studies mentioned are completely inaccurate due to invoking the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy as a result of their indirect nature.

@Nobody@freeatlantis.com @zleap

@markusl

Your reply doesnt address what I said. Your studies are all invalid as they arent measuring viral load and thus subject to post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. When relying on viral load studies it paints a very different picture, one where the vaccine has nearly no effectiveness against delta even shortly after being vaccinated.

@Nobody@freeatlantis.com @zleap

@ArmyVeteranAJ Yup this is certainly valid for both sides.

@markusl

While in my judgement you are incorrect about the vasccines being effective against Delta we do agree it is much more deadly than seasonal fu.

@Nobody@freeatlantis.com @zleap

@markusl

I covered why the claims that it stops you from getting sick are false and fall under the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Namely because all approaches to confirming this are not direct evidence and would fall victim to said fallacy (and gave one such explanation as to how). While direct evidence directly contradicts this assertion, albeit more limited in nature

@Nobody@freeatlantis.com @zleap

The sea here in egypt is a bit of a mixed bag. The water was more than warm enough to enjoy, so thats nice. Also the outside is fairly warm at 27C / 80F and above. The problem is there is a constant fairly significant wind with no breaks and as result a decent current. You have to constantly exert effort to stay still and are fairly cold coming out of the water. Should be ok for scuba though.

The other problem is the beach is rocky and slippery, very dangerous with my back. My hope is ill find a better point to enter next time. I need a day more to recover from my travels before ive recovered enough to attempt a proper dive too

Stuffed with egyptian breakfast. No idea what i ate but it was great. I am ready to maybe make my first attempt at an ocean swim.

A friend i made at the hotel surprised me last night with a whole bottle of egyptian liquor. These people are so nice.

@djatropine444
::Dons a top hat and monocal:: very good old chap

@trinsec
You arent far off from the truth. I slept more than 12 hours

Ready to get my relaxing on.