🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@FreePietje

Doesnt change my point.. the plastic waste is created regardless. Adding on top of that another thing that needs to be produced to replace it, no matter how renewable, doesnt change the fact that not only do we have the same waste being produced but now we also have the waste produced from an additional product to replace it.

Yes glass straws are nicer than paper since glass straws can be reused, but this isnt helping matters when its a new source of waste just added on top of the plastic waste.

@clacke @Gina

@ericbuijs

Yes I explained this, long chain alkanes mostly as I said. Those long chain alkanes are a liquid as they arnt usually "cracked" except when making plastics and also why I pointed out natural gas can be used too.

@FreePietje @Gina

@clacke

I'd argue the money into the machine isnt as important as the pollutants and where they go.

The plastic slurry is liquid not solid usually (large/heavy alkanes and related chemicals). I do agree that if look in isolation it is better to throw that directly into the ground and regulate its disposal better. The problem is, as I stated, your offsetting that by now **also** replacing all the products made of plastic with things made from wood, glass, or metal which all have their own economic and enviromental costs with it as well.

@FreePietje @Gina

@clacke

Actually just buy less gasoline and non-renewable fuels, the production of plastic will automatically reduce regardless of its demand (the cost to make it as a primary product would be prohibitive and it just wont be made even if there is demand since the price would be enormous).

@FreePietje @Gina

@FreePietje

Yes if properly handled and making it to the dump is one small positive aspect. But the downsides as I mentioned dont really make up for that, as now we are mass producing all the objects plastics used to server without reducing the plastic waste itself.

@Gina

@FreePietje

If no one bought any plastic at all then you'd have a plastic-like liquid waste that would come from gas refineries and similar sources. This slurry would have all the harm of plastic and just skip the consumer and go straight to the dump.

This, I'd argue, is in fact **worse** than people not buying the plastic at all since the overall volume of waste is the same regardless. The difference is that if people dont buy the plastic (which at least for a time keeps it out of the trash) then other products need to be produced to fill that need as well. So take plastic straws being replaced with glass ones, you have the same plastic waste being produced by buying a glass straw, but now you have the additional burden of a glass straw being produced on top of that.

@Gina

@FreePietje

The problem is since plastic is a secondary product off nonrenewable sources (natural gas and gasoline) you have no impact on reducing production by reducing consumption of plastics directly. You'd have to stop the production of gasoline and natural gas to have that outcome.

@Gina

@Gina That is true, but plastics are weird in that they are a secondary product. So by not buying it you dont really reduce the rate they are produced. Even if no one bought plastic the plastic would still be produced and just thrown away never seeing use since its a byproduct of other primary processes.

@Gina plastic is probably fine in coffee, but yea that makes sense :)

@Gina Why do you need a straw to drink coffee, let alone a glass one ?

@josipretrobits That looks like it might be correct but just low resolution

@trinsec

We have a long issue with scholar.social. Years ago there was a huge exodus of LGBT people who were mistreated at that community who migrated over to QOTO. When that happened the owner got mad and has blocked us. No surprise since they have a very aggressive block list as it is.

@MariusM

@weepjp

Awesome! thanks

@lucifargundam

@atomjack What I want to know is how a chunk of the earth nearly instantly.

@weepjp what do you mean?

@lucifargundam

@AmpBenzScientist indeed!

@AmpBenzScientist thank you