🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@clacke

Agreed if a source or even a person has very clear bias and agenda, rather than an objective evaluation of fact, it usually means its too low a priority on my to-do list for me to get to it. It isnt about willful ignorance so much as just prioritizing your time to bes maximize how you learn useful new information. Discredited sources generally waste time in that pursuit more than other ventures.

@louis

@louis

But that was an argument. The argument was "Your data came from an unreliable source thus is itself unreliable". That is a pretty damn good argument actually.

@clacke

@louis

Sorry but determining what is a fact and what is not is most certainly disputable. Especially if talking about the interpretation of those facts.

People dont realize that deciding what is or is not fact is itself opinion. Ergo any claim to facts is absolutely disputable.

@clacke

@louis

Hitler liked cake, therefore cakes are racist.

@clacke

@louis

All I know is i studied a lot of psychiatry and while some people will always be racist it is clear to me the study and science is largely not racist in how it is structured.

There is a lot of racism historically, no doubt, but that doesnt invalidate the modern science now that we have eliminated the bulk of that racism from the science.

I jusge if someone or something is racist not be how it was 100+ years ago but by how it is now.

@clacke

@peterdrake What level were you?

sure

@louis Depends on which psychiatrist we are talking about. I have no doubt there have been plenty of prejudice psychiatrists and teachings throughout the years. That is true of almost any subject sadly. But I dont think that it is valid to make those statements as sweeping statements of all psychiatric or even the majority of modern day psychiatry.

As for solving problems, it depends. Generally what it does is put someone in a sane enough head space to seek therapy, then (at least sometimes) get healthy enough to get off the medicings.

I know countless people who spent many years suicidal and depressed. Some of them went on medication and a few years later with therapy were better, their problem was "solved". Even though they cant solve everyone's problems medication can be a route to a solution for many.

@louis Yes I better understand your stance. I dont agree with it entirely but I do understand what you were trying to say now.

On the one hand I do agree that most psychiatric disorders are a bit arbitrary. In the sense that they just describe arbitrary set of behaviors that tend to be self destructive. They are not particularly special compared to any other personality traits you could describe

The key here is two fold though. 1) that these traits are self-destructive, thus why psychiatry or other forms of help are important. 2) Medications DO help, and some people need them and they are certainly better off than not having them. Of course a person should strive to not need them, as a solution with fewer meds has fewer side effects (like being a zombie). But they are often a necessary stepping stone (and for some perpetual). I have seen it work for people who otherwise would have killed themselves long ago. Solutions arent perfect though sadly. So they dont always work either.

@louis What is?

Just a reminder

#depression #MentalHealth

@Rovine I love it!

@snder Glad to get to the bottom of that as best I could. Good luck :)

@mlubert

I understand. Thank you for the honest reply. Thats fair and I think it answers my questions. Good day to you and i appreciate you taking the time to respond.

@snder

@mlubert

Was that response for me or for snder? I'm just asking you for input and insight. How is asking a question to understand you harassment? Obviously if you feel harassed i am sorry for that, it was not my attention.

@snder

@Gargron Well they legally have to mark paid psts as sponsored. So not sure it really helps them in that goal

@mlubert

I see what was the instance?

Even if the posts are no longer present can you recall what they said that made them hate speech campaigns?

I've known this guy since he joined the fediverse. Never personally saw him be hateful. Not saying your wrong, but is it possible your mistaken? You said it was a sock puppet account, maybe it was someone else entirely? How do you even know it was him if it was a. separate account?

The reason im critical is because what you describe doesnt sound like him at all. Perhaps it was someone imitating him on a different server?

@snder

@mlubert

Well i figured you had some notes on why somewhere, in your head or otherwise.

Can you share with us what those "harassment campaigns" were or better yet just link to his offensive posts?

Harassment campaigns are a serious accusation and if true you. are completely in your right to. be upset. But i your going to make such a damaging claim please share with us those notes, or why, otherwise it just looks really bad to accuse someone of that then just fall silent when asked for what they did or why. What they did is obviously the most important part if you want people to be upset and support your campaign to block him wouldnt you say?

@snder