🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@admitsWrongIfProven Even systematically its not one systamatic thing...

Like take slavery, it was systematic once, no longer. But im sure it had a lasting effect that contributed to this, it certainly added a lot of hostility between minorities and whites. But would i say slavery having existing is the thing "at fault"... well no because i still maintain fault is manifold and it is just one among hundreds of systemic things that likely all contributed as well.

Really I think what you mean is more along the line sof "what are some of the biggest things we could change that would address this problem"

@mapto Exactly! Soneone who cares about money, if they are good must care about catering to the same crowd as a shop that doesnt and beyond. So a large shop will have everything tbr small shop has and more. Cagering to just the mai stream will not get you as much revenue as catering to everyone.

@admitsWrongIfProven

By all means try to understand.. But if your trying to label one specific thing as the "fault" then you will fail to understand every time, since that isnt how reality works.

Instead of looking for fault look at every single player, especially yourself, and try to figure out what you could have done better to contribute to a better ending. Every single person involved will have some way they could have improved their contribution in some way, but the idea of "fault" particularly when its concentrated to a single point (or very few points) will not get you to where you want to be.

@admitsWrongIfProven The idea of a singular base cause for anything is a myth that just doesnt add up to reality.

There are major share holders int he responsibility for an event, a major watershed landmarks that mark some turning point. To to try to describe a singular point as the "fault" will have you failing at life every single time :) In truth the "fault" for something is an infinite string of events going back in time and following many different paths. Changing any number of events can steer the course to somewhere new and avoid some undesired event, no one of which is the singular "fault" on its own.

Hitler is often seen as the person we blame for the holocaust.. But we could also say his mother was to blame for having him as a child or raising him with the values he happened to have, or maybe his father, or grandparents, or maybe it was that bully in highschool that beat him up and he never got over.

@admitsWrongIfProven How is war "no fault in humans" ... who are committing these wars, cats?

@admitsWrongIfProven

I shared the cause earlier. The triggering event appears to be war.

@Hyolobrika

@Hyolobrika

That would be correct, it would be more linguistically accurate to say "causes this type of psychosis" or something to that effect

@admitsWrongIfProven

@Hyolobrika

No personality disorders can have psychosis as a comorbidity depending on its nature. But no not **all** personality disorder leads to psychosis.

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@Hyolobrika

I did not say psychosis is when you are toxic and vile, I said that the type of psychosis int he USA leads to people being toxic and vile. Not the same thing. A person can be toxic and vile and have no psychosis, a person can have psychosis and depending ont he kind may or may not be toxic and vile, in this case the kind of psychosis americans have leads to this.

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@admitsWrongIfProven

Well no, but it is a long established part of the culture. The best objective way I could think of to indirectly measure it, based on the assumption that it is driven by tribal instincts to fight across polarized lines we can just look at congress.

See this animation as a reference: https://youtu.be/tEczkhfLwqM?si=JXKA6I8XDrlkvAcM

One can see the beginings of a divide noticably forming starting in early 1990, but then post 2001 the divide becomes very dramatic with almost no bipartisan agreement of any kind.

Both of these seem to coincide with wars, the gulf war of 1990's and the middle eastern wars (specifically afganastan and Iraq) from 911 onward.

So would seem the triggering event were our two major wars a decade apart.

@admitsWrongIfProven

Well psychosis is infectious. When you spend your life growing up in it it becomes the norm and you adopt it. Its hardly a new thing, the same sort of extreme polarization and hysteria can be seen through a lot of the modern US history. Just look at the hysteria over communism during the cold war that lead to people like Lucy Ball being arrested for their opinions.

@admitsWrongIfProven

I suppose there is a bit of a spread of some of the psychosis.. but its very minimal compared to the USa.. In the USA its everyone with maybe 1% as an exception. In the netherlands I could spend a year meeting person and its a bad year if even one of them matches the typical psychosis I find in america.

We arent talking about "There are problems", we are talking about a very specific and toxic kind of psychosis, personality disorders.

I will say this though, while it isnt too common in much of the world it is fairly common (though not as bad as the USA) in english speaking countries, the UK is particularly bad, and a close second after the USA.

@admitsWrongIfProven transfer of what? There is plenty of suffering, the world is far from perfect. But as someone who travels the world more than most (living in a new country every other year or so, at least temporarily) I cant say i ever witnessed the level of psychosis as I do in the USA. Suffering doesnt equate to psychosis.

@mapto amazon dorsnt follow your preception of a cokpany that only sells mainstream books. As someone who has a collection of occult books virtually every new book thats an occult book **is** a ailible on amazon, thus proving my point.