🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@chris

I suspect what you said is true, we all know how the other side loves to warp what was said (and trump has said plenty of legit stupid shit)... That said might i suggest you provide a direct quote to prove you point. It would be much more impactful than simply saying it is so.

@lxo

Thanks for linking me in. I work with LLMs and AI tech at a low level (The company I founded is building a next-gen llm among other AI tools). So I know the internals of an LLM and how they work intimately. I read your post but not the whole thread yet, im a bit busy trying to run that company (Im founder and CTO so a lot is on my shoulders) so forgive me for not reading the entire thread. But, what questions can I help answer directly? We understand how LLMs actually quite well so im confused by what your asking, what is it you want to understand that you think we dont currently?

I've been tracking the OSI open-source AI discussion. I havent seen anything too meaningful come out of that discussion but I hope it will. But I can say this, many open source AI's will link to the corpus of training data used. What is more opaque is how it was trained using that data rather than the data itself. The final code is of course open source, but the meta code, the code that tells the system how to train is not. That is, however where the magic happens, more so than in the training data itself in some ways.

That said I do agree with the OP that if you want a truely good open source definition of AI that is encompassing of full replication you need to open up three things:

1) the training data
2) the training code
3) the running code (the code for running the model after trained).

Hope that helps, let me know if you have any questions.

@chaz

@lxo

Thanks for linking me in. I work with LLMs and AI tech at a low level (The company I founded is building a next-gen llm among other AI tools). So I know the internals of an LLM and how they work intimately. I read your post but not the whole thread yet, im a bit busy trying to run that company (Im founder and CTO so a lot is on my shoulders) so forgive me for not reading the entire thread. But, what questions can I help answer directly? We understand how LLMs actually quite well so im confused by what your asking, what is it you want to understand that you think we dont currently?

I've been tracking the OSI open-source AI discussion. I havent seen anything too meaningful come out of that discussion but I hope it will. But I can say this, many open source AI's will link to the corpus of training data used. What is more opaque is how it was trained using that data rather than the data itself. The final code is of course open source, but the meta code, the code that tells the system how to train is not. That is, however where the magic happens, more so than in the training data itself in some ways.

That said I do agree with the OP that if you want a truely good open source definition of AI that is encompassing of full replication you need to open up three things:

1) the training data
2) the training code
3) the running code (the code for running the model after trained).

Hope that helps, let me know if you have any questions.

@chaz

@lucifargundam Just FYI I got 2 of our guys working on the few remaining problems you pointed out. Should be a day or two. If you want to follow you can at the QOTO Lobby

@sergeant Check out our QOTO Loby room. I have 2 people on some of the remaining issues now, feel free to add anything we missed there.

@weston yes should be. every comment has an explicit parent.

@weston

Oh its totally a client UX thing. Many clients flatten responses. The threading is preserved in the JSON side of things. But many clients dont render the threading.

You can see a "hint" at the threading by checking who is tagged in the reply list usually or by clicking on a message to expand its thread and only its thread.

@weston Generally you reply to the main post.. there is no "last" in any meaningful way because posts in mastodon are threaded, so that wouldnt make any sense anyway.

@stux NVM, that was adrian paul.

@stux

That names familiar.. that wasnt the guy who did the highlander tv show is it?

@bibliolater In clients it should, on the web not right now. we fixed the backend but there are a few lingering minor things on the front end.

@lxo

Then why do we see tons of examples of seemingly two party systems constantly switching their two primary parties in similar systems? Even in the usa the two main parties have been replacr with mew mainnparties 8 times.

@joaopinheiro Well the good news is this is probably our last election either way. Harris we have economic collapse, Trump we have no more democracy.. either way there wont be an america left for much longer, at least not one that resembles what we think of as america.

@wjmaggos if those structures are the cause then why is the twonparty system ubiquely ametican and not something wr see in any other election, even ones that have the same or similar structure?

@wjmaggos

Some are parlimentary, but not all of them no.

RCV would alleviate the party control, if they really had control. They dont. It is completely a lie they established that people bought and accept. Nothing more. Youbcant fix a purely cultural thing like being gullible to a lie putaide of fixing society sadly.

@wjmaggos

Im a huge supporter of RCV since it is simply a superior method. However the evidemce overwhelming ahows that FPTP voting (what we currently have) doesnt cause two party systems despite the myth. This is evidenced by the thousanda of elections aroubd the world that uae it without ahpwing a tendency for a two party system. Likewise we see in states with RCV it still maintains a twonparty dominance.

So as much as id love to see RCV sadly i dont think that ia the main problem. The problem ia just that americans are super gullible and actually are easily.manipulated i to beleiving there is a twonparty system ahen there isnt.

Who are you rpoting for, Harris and a complete global economic collapse and world war, or Trump ans the end of democracy in the USA? Choicea choices...

#USPol