Luis M. Rocha @lmrocha@qoto.org

@freemo @icedquinn @mike805 what experts? I sent papers with randomized control trials, what is better than that?

@freemo @mike805 so, are you saying that the US has lower rape rates than other similar countries?

@freemo @mike805 what guns are engineered to do is not a matter of opinion.

@icedquinn @mike805 @freemo all part of the same death cult and profiteering racket. FYI, I quit working for the DOE after the illegal Bush/Cheney Iraq war. I have no hesitation calling them war criminals. Putative DOD crimes do not in the least validate letting our children be killed at the altar of a profiteering death cult based on archaic constitutional interpretations.

@icedquinn @mike805 @freemo gun owners who defend availability of high capacity automatic weapons without regulation can believe whatever they want. But we should stop being polite and call their death cult for what it is: a profiteering racket that values dollars and selfish toys over the lives of children.

@icedquinn @mike805 @freemo no, homicide as well. Read the papers.

@icedquinn @mike805 @freemo
Arthur L. Kellermann et al., “Gun ownership as a risk factor for homicide in the home,” New England Journal of Medicine 329, no. 15 (1993): 1084-1091.

[Wiebe, Douglas J., “Homicide and suicide risks associated with firearms in the home: a national case-control study,” Annals of Emergency Medicine 41, no. 6 (2003): 771-782.

Dahlberg, Linda L., Robin M. Ikeda, and Marcie-jo Kresnow, “Guns in the home and risk of a violent death in the home: findings from a national study,” American Journal of Epidemiology 160, no. 10 (2004): 929-936.

Miller, Matthew, Deborah Azrael, and Catherine Barber, “Suicide mortality in the United States: the importance of attending to method in understanding population-level disparities in the burden of suicide,” Annual Review of Public Health 33 (2012): 393-408.

@icedquinn @mike805 @freemo https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

@freemo @mike805 your parallel with vaccines is silly. Vaccines are not engineered to kill like all guns are. Vaccines may very, very rarely and accidentally kill. So the argument for gun control is nothing like the antivax argument.

@freemo @mike805 the dishonest argument is positing that guns prevent deaths at any reasonable rate, when you have no data whatsoever to show that is remotely true. Most gun deaths occur with guns from your own household. When was the last time you had to defend an attack with guns?

At the end of the day, what are you guys so afraid of that you need guns? The zombies?

@mike805 @freemo have you looked at the gun sale numbers since the 40s? The profiteers created a great market based on fear and the fiction of the second amendment. They have flooded society with guns at levels never seen before. More guns, more shootings; it is simple statistics.

There is also the element of race here we have not addressed. Reagan and so-called libertarians supported gun control when the fear was the Black Panthers. To this day, freedom of carry is in practice a white privilege. Try carrying a gun while black. It doesn't even have to be a real gun, just the imagination of one.

@mike805 @freemo why no rage shootings elsewhere but there USA? Actually, they exist, but when they happen elsewhere laws change and high capacity shootings disappear. It's only the USA where profiteers have been able to engineer a profitable death cult around the second amendment.

@freemo @mike805 exactly. You want your toys, who cares if children get murdered. The kids fighting in Tennessee understand you.

@mike805 @freemo do you think this is how schools l get attacked in the USA today?

@mike805 @freemo I think a natural right of children is to be safe. They should not have to go to school fearing being murdered every day of their lives.

@mike805 @freemo there were no automatic weapons 100 years ago. Europeans are on SSRIs in similar proportions as Americans.

No one needs automatic weapons for self-defense.

@freemo @mike805 I'm talking about analysis based on pseudo randomized trials, which you can do comparing the times of introduction of regulations in different locations. You are the one assuming that when we speak of data we mean simple correlations. But again, you cannot underestimate that the gun lobby prevents the gathering of relevant data in the usa. They are not interested in serious data analysis.

At the end of the day, your can justify your toys however you want. But American children are dying from guns much more than children in other rich countries. Taking my kids to school in the USA, everyday there was the ever present fear of a gun attack, with corresponding drills they had to be subjected to (you can only wonder the damage to mental health such insecurity caused them.) I am so happy they decided to go to college in Europe. We never worry about such a situation anymore. And that's how life should be.

@freemo @mike805 dude, I'm on several data science study sections at NIH, and on the editorial board of several days science journals.

@freemo @mike805 there is no misinterpretation. There is only interpretation, in context, in time, as needed, as the framers of the constitution intended. You seem to think the constitution holds some kind of immutable truth. That's reification. It obviously is not the case.