ᔑᐸᐱᑚᕬᐱᑎ @skanman@qoto.org

@mattyhari ok so this has been running in the back of my brain for a while. I'm gonna make some assumptions that these swords were placed on bodies as decorations similar to Nordic burial traditions where they put a body on a boat and set it ablaze as a funeral right. Presuming that, the sword wouldn't be alone and wouldn't get covered by sediment for approximately 300 years or so if we guess 2mm per year would layer 600mm of sediment build up. While I'm also assuming it's fresh water with low salt and other caustic elements, I'm willing to bet that other artifacts near that sword weren't found because they're gone. I'm not saying that we should copy these sedimentary compounds so a 2023 Honda Accord will survive 2500 years, I'm saying they were aware of the caustic affects weather had on iron work 500bce, and probably treated the sword before it was finished. If I'm right, metallurgy was slightly further along than we thought it was. I'm no history buff but I'm willing to bet that there's traces of zinc or nickel on that blade. If there is, you can update a couple history books. If I'm wrong, you can get samples of the sediment and send it to Dupont or 3M for synthesis and start making ship containers that decay like 300% slower using environmentally safe materials and poof your a millionaire.. win / win 👍 no more coffee for me today.

@s_gruppetta lol but you could say the same about being a py programmer in general:-)

My 2AM shower thought:

Data stored in 2 dimensional tables is grossly unorganized when comparing multiple data sets not for the sake of categorizing fields, for that it's perfect but in terms of flexibility in establishing patterns and correlations. The current solution to the problem is object based storage. It seems to be the best. But I'm not sure it really is either.

AI is actually simple. Establishing intention, context, and determining probabilities. That's it. But as simple as that is. It seems what most people call AI really isn't cause it's missing one of those ingredients.

The juicy shower thought:
True AI or just I, doesn't just compare data across one thread of probability. Our own brain feels like 1 brain but it's far from it. It's a voting system of multiple sensors and previous results. Sight, smell, sound, texture, time, temperature, memories, viscosity are all voted upon.. the longer we think on a subject our results change occasionally because votes ultimately sway over time. And how do we determine if it's good or bad? Does the result create or destroy, and is achieving the result efficient. To compare all these dynamics relationships using objects is also inefficient by far. So how should we store data then? Burying arrays inside arrays inside objects is lunacy because the relevant data changes priority the more the data is voted upon. This would dramatically change the structure of the object over time yet objects aren't exactly dynamic in nature on a computer. It seems to me that is what needs to be fixed. Instead of indexing data by unique ID alone, if the data is indexed by a matrix of relevance and context, you can have an object that changes structure because it's called by it's context instead of it's location. So instead of retrieving let's say most popular color viewed by users over time from x Y z objects. You can request the pattern by the answer to get a real result you didn't know to ask for. An example would be requesting most constructive behaviors over time x to y and maybe it will yield a color that has correlations to that behavior but also yield the environment factors that caused that color at those times to be relevant. You don't just get the data you seek but the entire chain of possible causality. Yet the data itself in the objects doesn't need a wild web of matrix indexes and keys at all. The relevance and probability shapes the indexes. The objects become living, just like our memories.

Project title: Living data.
Goal: create a new database that maps indexes by intent and correlations.
Challenges: create event listeners for intent changes. make logic maps that restructure objects priorities by predetermined constructive or destructive effects.
Desired output: Twin JSON objects, but one maps the relevance of the other.
Desired inputs: create, move, upgrade, demote, associate, decay, compare, watch, assimilate, pattern.
Example: newEvent = dbusers.associate(dbusers.favcolor, dbpurchases.items.color).pattern(increase(.25));
newEvent.watch((patternChanges) => notifyAdmin)

Example would notify admin when the characteristics of all users average favorite color shifts and why. This could be simplified to track any characteristics that start to shift and why.

Why is this cool? Applications need queries to look for changes in patterns. This reverses that. When changes in patterns occur, the application queries the user. Thus instead of users wasting time looking for changes that might or might not mean something, the application simply notifies the user when changes that definitely mean something start to occur at any location or property in the data set.

Please comment caveats that I'm missing.

@s_gruppetta dude I love your study of this, have you compared the differences by environmental brightness and display type as well. For instance, 3200 lumen window brightness and 500 nit LCD, and 100 lumen environmental brightness and 600 nit AMOLED would be almost intolerable. But under the right environmental conditions would be pretty much required. I've always thought the best scenario for a programmer would be a monochromatic paper LCD like on e-readers if they could get the response time higher. On those displays, light mode or dark mode doesn't seem to affect eye strain at all. Thanks for the thought provocations 🤔

@DMT I avoid anything with "harm" in the name anyways. But right you are.

@joshbrownneuro "When looking into the abyss, the abyss is looking into you" - Abraham Lincoln**

** I don't think this was Abraham Lincoln, but it sounded good, and I'm too lazy to Google it..

@mattyhari with the way iron oxidizes and it being in a lake bed, I'm amazed at the condition it's in.. something must be in the lake beds that stabilizes any reactions. Cold I know helps but 2400 years, I'm amazed the detail on the blade is preserved of those figures. I'm jealous of your job.

@sspadt I think you landed in a pretty good place to encounter some great discussions. There seems to be this boom of intellectuals joining this server. Welcome, and have a lovely afternoon.

@mattyhari whoa that's awesome, how old is it? Was it used as status symbol or in combat?

@acjay could be worse, there could be a meeting going on because people saw your inbox :)

@travisgriggs social media personalities typically start niche and gradually transition into more of a generalized life feed because most start out primarily as a clean pure source of information about a particular topic. Then they develop a reputation and fame. Then people begin the self interest curiosities about who they are, what their other opinions are on other things because the trust is assumed at that point. People are also inherently visual, so if you have experience with Legos, share the creations, if you have experience with flying, document it, and help guide others. See that's the difference between creators and followers. Followers have interests in things. Creators are busy doing those things and documenting it. If you actually do your interests, you could be quite 3 dimensional and people would love it. It's hard though to become an authority on many things. Good luck in whatever your venture is. 👍

@serbestderdest I thought Twitter moderators were doing stuff like that before he bought it? So the difference is different people filtering for different reasons? Thanks for the quick response by the way. 👍

I'm noticing a lot of people coming from Twitter.. and so many are hating on Twitter. I'm not from there, so could someone kindly tell me if I missed something?

@Amikke fair enough, but if somebodies biggest concern is testing this constant against every browser ever. It's possible to test them algorithmically without creating dependencies that might accidentally end up in production code. I haven't seen many people create projects that only QA gets a test version that verifies constants. I can see the concern though cause of the get() and set() methods in objects that create hells possible like (a == 1, a == 2, a == 3) // true. But I've been cranking JS algorithms for an eternity and unless you're crafting either some freaky new encryption that's unstandardized, which is actually good practice. I'm not sure where anybody would need this. There's the fringe possibility the application runs in a NodeMCU which isn't using a browser at all but still executing front end code as middleware, but again, the developer would know that's going to happen and just read the documentation for the environment.

@Amikke someone probably had a homework assignment to make an npm module and forgot it was due and cranked that bad boy out 5 minutes before due date. I would imagine GitHub is 99% just that. But maybe I'll fork it later and give it the ability to return results in binary just to randomly blow someone's mind. 😂

@nullifidian I think this platform is unique in that there isn't a firm etiquette. But to play it safe, you could always consult the rules of the internet. Which really don't specify anything about that but will joyously destroy 10 minutes of your life.

@PawelK @Gargron I don't think this is a giant surprise with their stock crashing. But it's ironic that a business whose business is people, can't afford to keep people.

@elevynn howdy and welcome.. I'm a JS programmer but I know python too. Welcome to the server 😊 I'm also a Linux fan, and read a lot. Not sure what you're into reading but I just finished Dante's inferno and The Hagakure. I've never been a social media fan at all but I'm trying this out too and it's hectic but not bad. Welcome again

@thgs if everything in the universe forms symmetrical, why is it asymmetrical? Is this a good question?