arteteco @arteteco@qoto.org

@rustyswarf
Mmhm, 9.12°C would be ok for a few years, but 500 years no way. You need -20°C in airlocked containers.

5 species... that's tough!
We'd need useful stuff, that is likely to disappear and must therefore be protected, for many climate situations.

I'd say a lot of grains, as they'll be crucial for our feeding and we already lost a lot of varieties. Then tomatoes, at least a 50/60 varieties, good food and easy to cultivate. Some good nuts, maybe Chestnuts, as many varieties as possible, they give a lot of calories but are prone to diseases (like the blight), so we should have many kinds.
I'd have to think about the other twos, any idea?

@Pen_and_Screen

@piponfishing@sunbeam.city No worries, keep us updated!

(Oh, I forgot, as you are in the North america You may have starbucks or stuff like that... you can ask for their coffe leftovers, they are awesome for growing mushrooms)

@anxndepress@todon.nl
Welcome, sorry to hear about your troubles, but I'm curious about your insights on the matter =)

@rustyswarf
If it's possible to have it refrigerated, I'd go for genetical information. Seeds, with notes on cultivation in many languages and images.
@Pen_and_Screen

@ster I am not saying government shouldn't be involved, everyone should work, but I would never rely on it. So far history has proven government and big corporation as first players in damaging the ecosystem. This is because of a lot reasons, a toot is not maybe the best place for such a long message.

Sometimes that is not the case, but is quite rare.

I come from Italy, and we have a tradition of government mistrust (first country in Europe by voting abstention).
I know that the consumers are not directly the primary driver of damage, but they are moving the economy, and can direct it.

I worked in a few regenerative agriculture places, and they could have restored way more land if only people bought food from them, as an example.

A whole lot can be accomplished by downscaling and local recycling of resources, and that is rarely where any government goes. On the other hand, private companies may find market niches in, say, making composting toilet and heating systems for houses.

Again, I'm not "against" anyone, I just put my heart there, but am ready to help and back anyone from any part of society, if they have good intention and a good plan

@ster Thanks for the feedback.

It is a very complex question. What is your answer, if you have an opinion?

My take is that everyone should do whatever it takes, always starting from oneself.
It is a cultural problem, so simple laws coming from the top will not change things, there should be a cooperative push.
Big solutions, like big dams and complex centralized water management systems, are part of the problem.

I personally mistrust governments and big corporations, so my bet is more on organized networks of small groups, where on the other hand I see a lot of inefficient approaches and misinformation. I'm very happy to change my mind and I try to work with anyone who can help restore the environment. At the end of the day, bees don't care about the ideology of the one who planted the flowers.

@ster You are the first person I know that actually read something on my website. I'm going to make a few jumps of joy, thanks!

@cassolotl@dev.glitch.social great work here, thanks!

Ok, working on the second part of the psychology of #climatechange. I promise, it will be better than the previous.

Meanwhile, a significative meme

@ster @freemo

This exchange feels like it's not going nowhere. I respect your opinions, even though I disagree, but I'm not in the mood to keep going with this conversation, and mastodon is not the right medium for such a debate.
Peace

@ster @freemo @lerk@comm.network @iamduck Well, where drugs were all decriminalized, like in Portugal, you have a severe drop in the amount of deaths by overdose and misuse of abuse-inducing drugs. If someone has an addiction, he is treated like a sick person, not as a criminal doing illegal things, yes.
I yet have to see data supporting that criminalizing and outlawing drugs resulted in an actual benefit in terms of less consumption, less money going to criminal associations or less deaths by it.
But I'm always open to change my mind, if presented with data I didn't know of

@ster @freemo @lerk@comm.network @iamduck You said people shouldn't be given the freedom to kill themselves. Which is the premise to make it illegale.

I said it as a joke, but it's a very slippery slope arguing that government should protect people from themselves, IMO.
I don't take any position on the gun issue, but freedom to kill myself? I want that anytime.

@ster @freemo @lerk@comm.network @iamduck If it makes you happy, suicide is illegal in Italy.

@bob brilliant!

So, this is a summary of some researcher I've read about how people perceive #climatechange.

This article is like a long toot, don't judge me: I'm out of my depth talking about psychology and I know it, I'm just sharing some thoughts.

http://www.arteteco.com/ecopsych/

@ZikZak
Thanks, hope not to disappoint, I'm not a pro. Have you done some explorations yourself?

Who likes #urbex here? I'm waiting for #pixelfed federation to be released to publish a little adventure in this abandoned, post-hippie, ex-squat castle in the middle of the city (where, btw, I used to live).

@RunningInCircles@mstdn.io There are some studies also showing the rebound effect: people who drive a hybrid car are more likely to drive it further, basically erasing the eventual environmental benefit.
This is a problematic issue, in my opinion ineffective environmental behaviors are even worst than a clearly non-environmental one, and sadly more common that effective ones.

Thanks for sharing =)

@BobTarte what a weird thing this is! I closed and opened the picture a few times =D

Great shot

@marsxyz@maly.io @mwpdx@mastodon.social yeah well... more or less. It's ok to find a point with coordinates and get some rough idea, but it often doesn't know cities or places, and frankly I take its navigation more as a suggestion and keep my brain awake when following.

I say this with a lot of love, I'm contributing to OSM too and I hope it becomes a standard in a few years. And anyway, asking for indications makes for good social activity